DS9 Or Enterprise?

[BillJ]

That 22% of people prefer mindless dreck?

Or that the majority usually prefers mindless fluff...

American Idol
Survivor
The two Transformers films

I hope you're not trying to describe Deep Space Nine as 'mindless fluff'.

Nope. But the percentage of people who like or watch something usually is not indicative of its quality. Like your post seemed to imply.

Like I said in my earlier posts... I just find Enterprise far more 'fun' and 're-watchable' than Deep Space Nine.

Guess that's why Enterprise continues to air on two different American TV outlets (SyFy and HDNet) while DS9 is nowhere to be found on the dial.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Guess that's why Enterprise continues to air on two different American TV outlets (SyFy and HDNet) while DS9 is nowhere to be found on the dial.

DS9's on in the UK...

 

[number6]

Babylon 5!

B5 sucked harder than a meth addicted tranny in a dark alley.

 

[DevilEyes]

IAMD was better than the entire MU arc on DS9 in my opinion.

I agree on that one.

DS9 >>> ENT
DS9 MU <<< ENT MU

 

[indolover]

DS9 had the best ship in all series (the Enterprise-D was cool, but the Defiant was way ahead), arguably the best Captain, the most developed characters, arguably the coolest enemy (second only perhaps to TNG Borg).

What did Enterprise have by comparison? A captain with a dog as his best friend lol, plenty of characters with no depth, poorly written enemies (the Sphere Builders were just tacked on lol), and a piss poor finale that had to feature cast members from another series. All Good Things had no TOS or DS9 cast members to support it. What you Leave Behind had no TOS, TNG or Voyager cast members to support it.

I personally think that Enterprise was a waste of time. I think when Voyager ended, they should have ended Trek TV for a few years, and come back with a new series later in that decade. I think the late 90's and early 2000's were dark years for the franchise, since most films/TV series were based on shitty premises. Insurrection, Nemesis and Enterprise would have been better if they had better concepts from the outset.

 

[StarryEyed]

My goodness, I never thought I'd see this poll - and started by an Enterprise fan, no less. John200, you had to know this was going to be a Christians vs. Lions (and I'm not talking about the Detroit Lions) match-up.

DS9, obviously. In other news, most people would rather have an orgasm than a kidney stone.

 

[CmndrSela318]

In other news, most people would rather have an orgasm than a kidney stone.

Funniest thing I've read on this or the sister board "Talk CSI".
That statement also falls under "funny but true".

 

[Harvey]

Like I said in my earlier posts... I just find Enterprise far more 'fun' and 're-watchable' than Deep Space Nine.

Guess that's why Enterprise continues to air on two different American TV outlets (SyFy and HDNet) while DS9 is nowhere to be found on the dial.

I imagine that Enterprise can be found on HDNet because it's the only Star Trek series available in high definition (other than the recently remastered original Star Trek, of course).

 

[Navaros]

Guess that's why Enterprise continues to air on two different American TV outlets (SyFy and HDNet) while DS9 is nowhere to be found on the dial.

No, that's not why at all. DS9 is the most re-watchable of all Trek shows due its deep characters and storylines which the other shows like ENT lack.

Almost nobody watches those stations you mentioned, so having ENT air on them is certainly not the least bit of an accomplishment.

Besides that, DS9 has been found on the dial for most of the years after it went off the air. It may not be present now, but it will re-emerge in the future. And ENT will certainly disappear off the dial eventually too.

Besides all that, your quoted argument is contradicting your other argument when you said this: "But the percentage of people who like or watch something usually is not indicative of its quality."

 

[Pemmer Harge]

IAMD was better than the entire MU arc on DS9 in my opinion.

I agree on that one.

DS9 >>> ENT
DS9 MU <<< ENT MU

I think I probably disagree. In a Mirror Darkly was entertaining enough, but I liked Crossover and Through the Looking Glass better. My problem with IaMD is that, although the first half was good fun, there really isn't much of an entertaining story in part 2. I thought it ended up relying on camp and nostalgia and not much else by the end.

 

[Sector 7]

Niners have a habit of overtaking even non-related threads. It was obvious they would descend upon this one like vultures.

My vote goes to Enterprise because I have no love for soap operas- whether space oriented or otherwise. I have watched most of DS9, yet I have never enjoyed overly long story arcs. I prefer the positive, hopeful outlook of TOS, TNG, VOY and ENT over the dark one of DS9. DS9 is almost depressing to watch.

 

[flemm]

Niners have a habit of overtaking even non-related threads. It was obvious they would descend upon this one like vultures.

I admit I was drawn to the stench of its rotting carcass.

DS9, of course.

 

[Kira Nerys]

ds9 by a mile

 

[StarryEyed]

Niners have a habit of overtaking even non-related threads. It was obvious they would descend upon this one like vultures.

My vote goes to Enterprise because I have no love for soap operas- whether space oriented or otherwise. I have watched most of DS9, yet I have never enjoyed overly long story arcs. I prefer the positive, hopeful outlook of TOS, TNG, VOY and ENT over the dark one of DS9. DS9 is almost depressing to watch.

Okay. I wish you many hours of bliss watching Vulcan neuro-pressure and decon chamber scenes.

 

[RyuRoots]

IAMD was better than the entire MU arc on DS9 in my opinion.

I agree on that one.

DS9 >>> ENT
DS9 MU <<< ENT MU

It's all garbage except for DS9's S7 ep if you ask me.

 

[TheGodBen]

Niners have a habit of overtaking even non-related threads. It was obvious they would descend upon this one like vultures.

It's all a part of our sinister plot. Observe:

1) Vote for DS9 in polls on Trek boards.
2) ???
3) Profit.

My vote goes to Enterprise because I have no love for soap operas- whether space oriented or otherwise.

Remember that time on Enterprise where Trip goes back to Vulcan with T'Pol and he's forced to be there as she marries another man because T'Pol doesn't want to disgrace her mother, and Trip's heart is breaking through it all? Remember that time on Enterprose where Trip can't stay on the ship any more because being on the same ship as T'Pol breaks his achy-breaky heart, so he becomes Columbia's chief engineer, but his and T'Pol's love cause them to telepathically link through their dreams? Remember that time on Enterprise where Trip and T'Pol's DNA is used to make a child without their knowledge, so they rescue her only for her to die so that we could have scenes of T'Pol crying?

I have watched most of DS9, yet I have never enjoyed overly long story arcs.

Remember that time on Enterprise where they dedicated many episodes to a senseless Temporal Cold War arc? Remember that time on Enterprise where the final season was setting up arcs that were going to build up to the Earth-Romulan War had the show not been cancelled? Remember that time in Enterprise where they spent a whole year focussing on a single story arc about saving Earth?

I prefer the positive, hopeful outlook of TOS, TNG, VOY and ENT over the dark one of DS9. DS9 is almost depressing to watch.

Remember that time on Enterprise when 7 million humans were killed in a senseless attack? Remember that time on Enterprise where a fifth of the crew were killed and the ship torn the shreds for the remainder of the season? Remember that time on Enterprise where they pirated supplies from those peaceful aliens and abandoned them years away from their home? Remember that time on Enterprise where a substantial portion of the human race became xenophobes and tried to force all the aliens off Earth?


Did you, like, even watch Enterprise? Because from your comment it seems like you think Enterprise is a different series from what it actually is and you only voted for it out of spite for DS9.

 

[DevilEyes]

IAMD was better than the entire MU arc on DS9 in my opinion.

I agree on that one.

DS9 >>> ENT
DS9 MU <<< ENT MU

I think I probably disagree. In a Mirror Darkly was entertaining enough, but I liked Crossover and Through the Looking Glass better. My problem with IaMD is that, although the first half was good fun, there really isn't much of an entertaining story in part 2. I thought it ended up relying on camp and nostalgia and not much else by the end.

Not sure what you mean by no story - there's the failed rebellion by T'Pol and Soval, and the battle for power of the Terran Empire between the Humans. I don't see DS9 relied on 'camp' any less than ENT MU episodes - I'd say it relied more so, even if we leave out "The Emperor's New Cloak", what with the Intendant's characterization and costumes and the overacting of Farrell and Siddig as their MU characters.

Re-watching In A Mirror, Darkly, I've started to think I might like it even more than Mirror, Mirror. I like that it's 100% a Mirror Universe episode, even down to the new opening credits and the awesome theme, with no characters from the prime universe and fully from the POV of the MU people, and that it's so bleak (which, of course, it had to be, due to the time period, since we knew that the Terran Empire would only get stronger from that point on). Mirror, Mirror and Crossover, when you think about it, fit the same format: our heroes cross over to the parallel universe, are shocked at finding out about their 'evil' counterparts, and before they leave they affect the people in the MU universe and inspire them to rebel, and it ends with a message of hope that things are about to get better and the oppressors will be overturned or at least challenged. In A Mirror, Darkly features people from the MU finding out about the Prime Universe, but what they find (The Defiant) only helps the Terran Empire become stronger, and it serves the most ruthless people go their way to the top. It does also inspire some people (T'Pol) to rebellion against the Empire, but the rebels (the only faction that we could feel some sympathy for) meet a sorry end - with just a prophetic line by T'Pol to suggest that the Terran Empire would fall one day - and the battle for power between Humans is all about who can be the most ruthless and scheming. Which all makes it the darkest of the MU episodes.

 

[flemm]

I like that it's 100% a Mirror Universe episode, even down to the new opening credits and the awesome theme ...

Awesome indeed, I loved this. Overall I don't think the MU really benefits from repeated visits, but the idea of revamping the entire presentation of the show was excellent. Credit where credit is due

As for DS9's MU episodes, overuse of the device dulls the edge of Crossover, which is an intensely awesome episode, though I also enjoy the next two MU visits to a lesser extent. The idea of an "alternate continuity" unfolding alongside the show's main continuity is an excellent one.

It's easy to lose sight of this now, but a final visit to the MU in season 7 was something fans wanted at the time, so I guess we can blame Ira Behr's overindulgence for going ahead with the awful Emporer's New Cloak, though admittedly some people like it, for whatever reason.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

I agree on that one.

DS9 >>> ENT
DS9 MU <<< ENT MU

I think I probably disagree. In a Mirror Darkly was entertaining enough, but I liked Crossover and Through the Looking Glass better. My problem with IaMD is that, although the first half was good fun, there really isn't much of an entertaining story in part 2. I thought it ended up relying on camp and nostalgia and not much else by the end.

Not sure what you mean by no story - there's the failed rebellion by T'Pol and Soval, and the battle for power of the Terran Empire between the Humans.

There's a story, I just didn't find it very interesting. I enjoyed the first half with everyone scheming against each other and appreciated the TOS homages at the end, but I just think part 2 relied too heavily on those homages (e.g. the bit with the Gorn) and I thought the plot became a bit ridiculous.

I don't see DS9 relied on 'camp' any less than ENT MU episodes - I'd say it relied more so, even if we leave out "The Emperor's New Cloak", what with the Intendant's characterization and costumes and the overacting of Farrell and Siddig as their MU characters

Well, there's certainly plenty of camp and overacting in DS9's MU episodes (not that these are necessarily bad things), but in the first two I thought those aspects were accompanied by more interesting plots than on ENT.

I'm only talking about Crossover and Through the Looking Glass here. For me, Shattered Mirror felt empty and Resurrection was dull. The Emperor's New Cloak I found entertaining, but I won't attempt to argue that it was actually good.

Ultimately, I guess this is purely subjective. Maybe I was underwhelmed by IaMD because I'd heard so much hype about how much better it was than DS9's MU.

 

[Sector 7]

I like that it's 100% a Mirror Universe episode, even down to the new opening credits and the awesome theme ...

Awesome indeed, I loved this. Overall I don't think the MU really benefits from repeated visits, but the idea of revamping the entire presentation of the show was excellent. Credit where credit is due

I agree with both of you here. I cannot recall another episode in all of Trek which took that risk. They successfully pulled it off, IMO.