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DS9 on blu ray?

Here is to all those that say something will NEVER be done:

"Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances.
--Dr. Lee DeForest, "Father of Radio & Grandfather of Television."

"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives."
--Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project

"There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom."
--Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949

"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943

"But what .. is it good for?" commenting on the microchip.
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
--Bill Gates, 1981

"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us,"
--Western Union internal memo, 1876.

"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out,"
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible,"
-- Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.

"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
-- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University , 1929.

"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value,"
-- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre, France .

"Everything that can be invented has been invented,"
-- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Office of Patents, 1899.

"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
-- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.

"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon,"
-- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman, founder of Digital Equipment Corp. 1977.

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Not believing something will ever happen because current technology and science won't allow it is one thing...

But people who are saying DS9-HD will happen are ignoring that Hollywood is and always has been about making money. A show that had fewer viewers and will require more work to upgrade than a show that didn't make money simply won't happen.

CBS-D doesn't care about what you want. They aren't a charity. They're not a arthouse willing to take a hit because it's the noble thing to do. They want money. Unless capitalism suddenly falls out of favor then that won't change.
 
Here is to all those that say something will NEVER be done:
...

Not believing something will ever happen because current technology and science won't allow it is one thing...

But people who are saying DS9-HD will happen are ignoring that Hollywood is and always has been about making money. A show that had fewer viewers and will require more work to upgrade than a show that didn't make money simply won't happen.

CBS-D doesn't care about what you want. They aren't a charity. They're not a arthouse willing to take a hit because it's the noble thing to do. They want money. Unless capitalism suddenly falls out of favor then that won't change.

Now who's beating a dead horse. I think both sides are...me included.
 
Here is to all those that say something will NEVER be done:

There is a difference between saying something may never be done, and actually giving a reasoning for your conclusion.

Many people in this thread have stated many reasons for why DS9 on Blu-ray may or may not happen.
That makes this thread automatically more worthwhile than any of the blanket quotes you mention.

(besides: who knows, maybe tomorrow a rich foreign investor may come and just make it happen)



"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
Isn't that statement actually true?
Most computers weigh less than 1.5 tons)
(I am not sure about the combined weight of hardware of some super computers)



"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
--Bill Gates, 1981
He never said that
 
He never said that
That's right, but he did say...

I have to say that in 1981, making those decisions, I felt like I was providing enough freedom for 10 years. That is, a move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time. Well, it didn’t – it took about only 6 years before people started to see that as a real problem.
Which is actually a lot better for the discussion. Just because the current situation looks like DS9 will not be given a HD upgrade, assuming that it never will is probably foolhardy.

I dare say that "Maybe someday" is just a safer bet. :)
 
He never said that
That's right, but he did say...

I have to say that in 1981, making those decisions, I felt like I was providing enough freedom for 10 years. That is, a move from 64k to 640k felt like something that would last a great deal of time. Well, it didn’t – it took about only 6 years before people started to see that as a real problem.
Which is actually a lot better for the discussion. Just because the current situation looks like DS9 will not be given a HD upgrade, assuming that it never will is probably foolhardy.

I dare say that "Maybe someday" is just a safer bet. :)

I can live with that...maybe someday.

Ps. I figured some of those quotes were wrong, just copied and pasted of course. Just trying to liven up this thread. I respect both sides.
 
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
Isn't that statement actually true?
Most computers weigh less than 1.5 tons)
(I am not sure about the combined weight of hardware of some super computers)
In a literal sense it's true. In the sense it's intended - that 1.5 tons will be a roughly lower bound on weight of the typical computer - it's not.
 
Which is actually a lot better for the discussion. Just because the current situation looks like DS9 will not be given a HD upgrade, assuming that it never will is probably foolhardy.

I dare say that "Maybe someday" is just a safer bet. :)

Yeah. Most arguments in this thread, both pro and con, try to extrapolate from now, and to a certain degree from the past.

Of course most posters, me included, don't even know everything that is happening now. For example, nobody knows hows CBS is calculating the costs.

Predicting the near future may be possible, but who knows what happens in 10 years, which technologies we have then, which kind of market, and how much of the cultural mind share DS9 and Star Trek in general will have then.


Nobody will or should say DS9 in will never happen.
But I strongly doubt that DS9 in HD on Blu-ray will happen, if only because Blu-ray is a thing of the past, or at least very niche, then.



"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
Isn't that statement actually true?
Most computers weigh less than 1.5 tons)
(I am not sure about the combined weight of hardware of some super computers)
In a literal sense it's true. In the sense it's intended - that 1.5 tons will be a roughly lower bound on weight of the typical computer - it's not.

Well, I like and tend to understand things in a literal sense, and wish more people would do. Who knows how the author of a scientific magazin intended it then.
 
So, to summarise the thread...

A lot of us would like DS9 on Blu Ray
Some of us will only buy it when the price drops if it happens.
It currently isn't happening.
It still might.
A lot of us think that it is pretty unlikely.
Some people think it is very likely.
Some people think physical media is dying on its arse.
Some people don't.
None of us know what is happening.

For what its worth, I dont think it will happen, physical media is definitely dying on its arse, but...

if DS9 comes out on Blu I'm buying it! :)
 
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So, to summarise the thread...

A lot of us would like DS9 on Blu Ray
Some of us will only buy it when the price drops if it happens.
It currently isn't happening.
It still might.
A lot of us think that it is pretty unlikely.
Some people think it is very likely.
Some people think physical media is dying on its arse.
Some people don't.
None of us know what is happening.

For what its worth, I dont think it will happen, physical media is definitely dying on its arse, but...

if DS9 comes out on Blu I'm buying it! :)

Yup, that about covers it !

I'd buy it too.

Eventually...
 
I'd buy it too.

Eventually...

Same here... once the price dropped to C$60 or less, just like I did (am doing) with TNG. Gone are the days when I can afford the "Star Trek premium"... when I think now of how much I spent on some of the DVD sets back in the day, I am embarrassed. I can no longer do that now.

(And really, even $60 is a bit much for one season of a show, but it's not as egregious as the $90+ they are initially released at...)
 
Well this is from an article in the telepgraph re: 2014 UK sales.

The closure of high-street entertainment retailers such as HMV has also reduced their presence on the high street. According to the British Video Association, spending of physical video formats fell 6.8pc last year in the UK, with a 10pc rise in Blu-Ray sales failing to make up for DVD declines

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...t-forecasts-after-Blu-Ray-disappointment.html

So on one hand physical media sales in general are declining but at least in 2014 in the UK it would appear that blu-ray actually had a rise in sales. Now of course a number of factors have to be considered :-

films released in that year
people replacing DVD players with BR's for whatever reason.
Retail prices coming down closer to DVD prices
etc..
 
I spent around £1000 on getting DS9 on VHS, similar amounts on TNG and Voyager. Then when I got TNG on DVD for its first run release, I spent around £100 a season, £500 quid in total, as I discovered the Internet shopping around Season 5 and started getting them a discount instead of paying high street prices.

Now I've finally got around to getting DS9 on DVD, after giving up on Blu-Ray I'm looking to get the whole series, one season at a time for £100. Incidentally, I only paid £50 when I got TOS on Blu-Ray. The age of the premium price for mainstream home entertainment is gone now
 
Well it's not just on-demand services the home video market is competeting against, with dozen if not hundreds of channels each with time to full you can often find a show which you may have bought is being re-run on TV. So that could be helping keep costs lower.
 
They're not doing it.

It would cost more than TNG as the effect shots aren't on film and they'd have to do them all again in C.G. Also many of the live action shots feature Odo morphing and they would have to be done from scratch too.

That's actually a misnomer (that they'd have to redo all the VFX in CGI). Only about 35 or so episodes of DS9 have VFX that are heavily or primarily CGI (the majority of which are in seasons 6 & 7) and VFX supervisor Gary Hutzel continued to film real miniatures right up until his last episode in season 7. Unlike his colleagues, he didn't think CGI was good enough at that point in time and avoided using it. As for the changeling morphs, all together they add up to about 15 minutes of screen time out of eight thousand total. It's a lot of work, but not insurmountable.

It was less popular than TNG, which made a loss. It would cost more and sell even worse. It won't happen.

There's no financial loss for TNG-R, especially not after this new Netflix deal. We know this because licensing agreement deals for streaming services value TV episodes in the hundreds of thousands of dollars each. :)
 
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The age of the premium price for mainstream home entertainment is gone now

Maybe in general, but CBS still charges a premium on their Star Trek series, compared to other similar-format TV shows.

Now I've finally got around to getting DS9 on DVD, after giving up on Blu-Ray I'm looking to get the whole series, one season at a time for £100. Incidentally, I only paid £50 when I got TOS on Blu-Ray.

Well, it's not "one season at a time", but Amazon UK seems to list the complete series set for only £67.20... what are you waiting for? :lol: (For comparison, the individual seasons appear to currently total to £122.56...)
 
So, to summarise the thread...

A lot of us would like DS9 on Blu Ray
Some of us will only buy it when the price drops if it happens.
It currently isn't happening.
It still might.
A lot of us think that it is pretty unlikely.
Some people think it is very likely.
Some people think physical media is dying on its arse.
Some people don't.
None of us know what is happening.

For what its worth, I dont think it will happen, physical media is definitely dying on its arse, but...

if DS9 comes out on Blu I'm buying it! :)

^Yup.

Hate to say it, but I think if TPTB were seriously considering a Blu Ray release for DS9, there would at least be some indication to that end by now.

That they aren't even considering a "best of" set of the best episodes indicates TPTB aren't thinking of DS9 as a viable option for a (profitable) release.
 
The age of the premium price for mainstream home entertainment is gone now

Maybe in general, but CBS still charges a premium on their Star Trek series, compared to other similar-format TV shows.

Now I've finally got around to getting DS9 on DVD, after giving up on Blu-Ray I'm looking to get the whole series, one season at a time for £100. Incidentally, I only paid £50 when I got TOS on Blu-Ray.

Well, it's not "one season at a time", but Amazon UK seems to list the complete series set for only £67.20... what are you waiting for? :lol: (For comparison, the individual seasons appear to currently total to £122.56...)

Common sense really. I buy the complete collection. That's 48 discs. I can't marathon the way I used to, just one episode a night. I get to disc 46, and find it doesn't work. If by then the e-tailer is still accepting complaints from a purchaser, they'll want the whole thing back, and I'd have to start all over again with a new set. It makes more sense to do it one season at a time. Besides shopping around can be a lot cheaper. I got seasons 1 & 2 from Amazon for £12 each when they had a sale. I got season 3 from Rakuten for £6 with a voucher and I'm up to season 4, which cost me a bit more at £15. I should get it for around £80 when all is said and done.
 
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