Agreed - the reality is except for the die hard fans, no-one gives a toss about DS9 and VGR any more.
They were much less popular than TNG when first on, let alone 20 years later.
The market has moved on it seems.
DS9 on blu ray?
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Agreed - the reality is except for the die hard fans, no-one gives a toss about DS9 and VGR any more.
They were much less popular than TNG when first on, let alone 20 years later.
The market has moved on it seems.
Besides, this is Star Trek.He's not really dead as long as we remember him.
Nobody stays dead!
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It's not going to happen.
Read this 100 page thread. And then the other one too.
DS9 is SD now, SD tomorrow, and SD forever....But try to enjoy it anyway.
Huh? Really you should have stopped after admitting there is zero market for DS9 on TV. The rest of your post was redundant to say the least.
CBS is in the business of making money. If they could make money out of remastering DS9, they would have done it already.
Did TNG-R even break even?
You are wrong. There is a syndication market and DS9 and Voyager are currently airing in syndication in the US, and CBS is constantly earning profit on the show. But it is not like the syndication market of the 1980's and 1990's. Today's syndication market, especially for the US, is online with iTunes, Amazon Prime, Hulu, Netflix, even CBS's own website. Not to mention all of CBS's and The CW affliates that link to CBS's main website. Plus Voyager currently airs here in Canada 3 times a day (at 4 a.m., 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. EST) on SPACE HD (while being downconverted to SD), and both DS9 and Voyager air in the UK and overseas. With syndication you don't need the US to be successful. And here in Canada, due to the majority of stations being owned-and-operated by CTV, CBC, Shaw and Rogers since the mid-1990's, market syndication has all but disappeared (there are maybe 4 independent stations in the whole country, might even be less), and shows are sold on an area basis (which, in the case of TNG and Voyager, CTV owns the rights, and if CTV wanted to, they could air both shows on the main CTV network, which was done in the past when SPACE was owned by CHUM, and the "NEW___" and "A" stations, along with SPACE did air the show.
From a syndication point-of-view, it is all academic: if there isn't enough of an increase in viewers then there won't be an increase in ad revenue. Then the station isn't going to be interested in paying an increase of licensing fees. This doesn't even take into account the fact that Deep Space Nine and Voyager haven't been in syndication (in the U.S.) since roughly 2008.[/quote]
In this case you are wrong again. In the case of barter syndication the production company/distributing company gives the station the rights to the show for free. Then the production company (in this case CBS) reserves the right to sell 45-50% of the ad time, with the station getting the remaining ad time to sell to local businesses.
There is the Cash Syndication deal, where the show's production company sells the series to the highest bidder, and right now, if CBS is trying to market DS9 to regular broadcast sources, this is a dead market for them in SD.
There is also the Cash Plus Syndication where the production company sells the rights to stations, but at a reduced rate, while retaining some of the advertising spots.
And again, this is not the 1980's. Deep Space Nine and Voyager/I] are in syndication in the US, but not by the traditional methods. Considering that more and more Americans are ditching their cable or satellite service every month,
No, I don't think you're with me. You keep jumping to conclusions based on evidence that doesn't exist or is so flimsy it can't even stand up.
I think we'll see DS9-Remastered out as early as December 2017. But it will probably be in 2018 when we see the series in HD, based on CBS's time frame between TOS-R and TNG-R.
And Tomalak, as to whether TNG-R broke even, again, it is a waiting game, as it is still too early for CBS to now anything. The Fall TV season hasn't even started yet, and I would assume that there are stations that have start dates for September and October, and even into 2016.
CBS-D isn't looking to recoup thier losses over the next couple of decades.
They're not doing it.
It would cost more than TNG as the effect shots aren't on film and they'd have to do them all again in C.G. Also many of the live action shots feature Odo morphing and they would have to be done from scratch too.
It was less popular than TNG, which made a loss. It would cost more and sell even worse. It won't happen.
The only hope (and it is an extremely slim hope) is that they might try to sell a fudged HD version to TV stations by doing a pro upscale of as low a generation original as possible, and, having done the work, try to sell a few copies on disc.
As physical media is on the way out, even that's wishing for the world on a stick.
I've waited long enough - I picked up the complete Voyager DVD set for £45 recently. I'll get DS9 too when I find it that cheap.
To bad. I would love to see the Dominion war in HD. A shame they won't pick certain episodes from each season so at least it can get full HD treatment like they did with TNG.
Here is to all those that say something will NEVER be done:
"Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances.
--Dr. Lee DeForest, "Father of Radio & Grandfather of Television."
"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives."
--Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project
"There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom."
--Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"But what .. is it good for?" commenting on the microchip.
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
--Bill Gates, 1981
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us,"
--Western Union internal memo, 1876.
"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out,"
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible,"
-- Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
-- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University , 1929.
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value,"
-- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre, France .
"Everything that can be invented has been invented,"
-- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Office of Patents, 1899.
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
-- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.
"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon,"
-- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman, founder of Digital Equipment Corp. 1977.
"Man will never reach the moon regardless of all future scientific advances.
--Dr. Lee DeForest, "Father of Radio & Grandfather of Television."
"The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives."
--Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project
"There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom."
--Robert Millikan, Nobel Prize in Physics, 1923
"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
--Popular Mechanics, forecasting the relentless march of science, 1949
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
--Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"But what .. is it good for?" commenting on the microchip.
--Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM, 1968
"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
--Bill Gates, 1981
"This 'telephone' has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The device is inherently of no value to us,"
--Western Union internal memo, 1876.
"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out,"
-- Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962.
"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible,"
-- Lord Kelvin, president Royal Society, 1895.
"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."
-- Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University , 1929.
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value,"
-- Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre, France .
"Everything that can be invented has been invented,"
-- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Office of Patents, 1899.
"Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction."
-- Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.
"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon,"
-- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.
"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, president, chairman, founder of Digital Equipment Corp. 1977.
Never say never. However it is foolhardy to think that they will definitely, absolutely, make this.
You are comparing advances in technology to a company deciding whether it would be profitable or not to remaster DS9. Apples and Oranges.
Somehow I knew that would be the main objection to my post.
Basically just trying to say, never say never. Even when it comes to trek. I wasn't too optimistic they would ever make another movie after Nemesis (of course I didn't care for Nemisis or the Arbrams reboot, but at least it was trek) or that TNG would be remastered. And quite possibly it might never happen on blu-ray, but maybe a digital release later or...who knows...maybe a holodeck remaster of DS9 in the 24th century.
And yes...I am beating a dead horse...and yes...I am speculating...and yes...I am dreaming. Taking care of all the objections right here.
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