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DS9 on blu ray?

We're seeing different cultures at play in this discussion.

In Britain (and in most Commonwealth countries), government regulation is the way things get done. MacLeod speaks from this perspective. We've come to accept, albeit grudgingly, that there are times when our government says "You are all are gonna do it *THIS WAY* from now on, got it?". And we obey meekly, like sheep. That can be good. It can be bad, but it has benefits too.

For most of you (I'm assuming most of you), being Americans, the idea of government stepping in and telling an industry, or the public, how it should do business is tantamount to fascism. It's a very different cultural frame-work. I'm sure it all stems from all those 'Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!' birth pangs. :lol: There's an innate sense of distrust of government regulation in America.

As a demonstration, it's like the whole discussion I remember we had on here a few years ago about measurement systems: here in our Commonwealth nations, we all switched to Metric because our governments told us to. Simple as that. In the USA, however, when the Federal government tried something similar in the 1970s, the general public told the government to shove their Metric system up their ass. That's the cultural difference I refer to. :D :techman:


And the change to metric was a good one, after all metric is all in standard maths, rather than base 16 for ounzes 16 oz=1lb, base 14 for lbs 14 lbs=1 stone, base 12 for inches 12 inches = 1 foot. As for F that makes even less sense. And yes if need be I can covert approximatly using mental arithmetic if I need to. But I have no problem if certain countries want to use a certain system all I ask is people specify the system they are using i.e. 40F, 40C.

But the UK government has set a Universal Service Commitment of at least 2Mbps, recent reports says its needs to be 10Mbps so they could increase the USC to 10Mbps.

And call me a cynic but all Governments should not be trusted.
 
And call me a cynic but all Governments should not be trusted.

Oh, nobody said governments should be trusted. ;) I merely point out that, under our system, we barely have a choice at all in terms of stopping them from implementing whatever the hell they like, aside perhaps from complaining to our local MP and then kicking them to the curb at the next election. My impression has always been that under Westminster rules we're kind of resigned to that, whereas in America they're all still much more passionate about the whole "Don't Let The Bastards Tell Us What To Do!" thing.
 
While they're passing laws, let's pass one to require the development and distribution of DS9 on BD. ;);)
 
Another thing to possible consider is the definition of rural. in the UK you can be classified as rural and as a said earlier only be a few miles away from a city, in other countries that might not be the same. And as others have said the internet is becomming more of a necessity rather than a nice to have. As someone mentioned above someone needed to have an e-mail address to simply apply for a job. How long before we have to fill in for example tax forms online only?

With regards to physical media some people will allways want a physical copy, will ebooks fully replace paper books? Perhaps.

Perhaps we may go down the route of if you want a physical copy of a film/TV series they are made to order directly from the studio/network.
 
Another thing to possible consider is the definition of rural. in the UK you can be classified as rural and as a said earlier only be a few miles away from a city, in other countries that might not be the same.
Probably depends on your population density. If it graduaally fades away from the city center you have suburbs and then exurbs and then rural.

If the concentraion just stops and you have primarily empty fields, then yes...you'd probably be considered rural. All depends if you have X people/square mile.

And as others have said the internet is becomming more of a necessity rather than a nice to have.
Using the internet to pay bills and connect with the outside world: Necessity
Using the internet to stream HD content: Not.


As someone mentioned above someone needed to have an e-mail address to simply apply for a job.
An outlier and it was probably for a job that required some sort of internet connection for work related communication. Certainly not the norm.

How long before we have to fill in for example tax forms online only?
The government (of the US and I'm sure the UK) is always as efficient as the lowest common denominator. I'm sure we're going that way, but we're decades off.

With regards to physical media some people will allways want a physical copy, will ebooks fully replace paper books? Perhaps.
We're even farther away from that. Printed books have been around 600 years. DVDs have been around 15. There's a romance behind books, not so much with anything else.

Perhaps we may go down the route of if you want a physical copy of a film/TV series they are made to order directly from the studio/network.

Like how you can mail order VHS tapes of classic Doctor Who directly from the BBC today?

No. They're going away. A company won't fund an operation to please a tiny fraction of a minority of fans of some show. Everything they do is for profit. They're not a charity. If you don't catch up then you're going to be left behind.
 
How long before we have to fill in for example tax forms online only?
The government (of the US and I'm sure the UK) is always as efficient as the lowest common denominator. I'm sure we're going that way, but we're decades off.

Australia is already there. In this country, the default way to do our taxes is via a downloadable program called 'eTax', and the default way to lodge them is on the internet. The only way that people without an internet connection can lodge a tax return these days is to get their accountant to do it for them.

Only a few years ago they used to send around a physical book called a 'Tax Pack' to every address, but they don't bother with it anymore.
 
I know this thread isn't on the main page anymore, but FWIW, I don't think the actual sales figures have been cited before. Eric AD over at the blu-ray.com forums did some research: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=10293194#post10293194

Here are the first week North American sales figures that are publicly available (mostly via the-numbers.com):

Next Level: 22,820 units / $342,066
Season 1: 36,110 units / $2,712,563
Season 2: N/A
Season 3: 16,060 units / $963,439
The Best of Both Worlds: 16,254 units / $245,594*
Season 4: 12,405 units / $755,850
Redemption: 9,428 units / $127,183
Season 5: 7,235 units / $434,028*
Unification: N/A
Season 6: 9,183 units / $568,705
Chain of Command: N/A
Season 7: N/A
All Good Things: N/A
----------------------------------------------
TOTAL: $6,149,428

Also:

Season 5: 13,152 units / $802,104 (after 18 weeks)
The Best of Both Worlds: $547,342 (after unknown number of weeks)

TOTAL: $6,819,252

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/chart-index

The one thing I didn't see were figures from the various Complete Journey releases, which is what I bought (the UK version). The numbers above suggest that they probably broke even, pending results from some of the N/A fields above. Obviously they'd have to do better than break even to overcome both the higher production cost of DS9 blu rays and the lower demand. But I wonder how much of a difference the complete sets would make in that regard.
 
For me, it's not a matter of not wanting them. It's a matter of having money to do so - I bought a few of the releases, but other things costing money have higher priority. I do plan to get them all eventually. Just not in the immediate future.
 
For me, it's not a matter of not wanting them. It's a matter of having money to do so - I bought a few of the releases, but other things costing money have higher priority. I do plan to get them all eventually. Just not in the immediate future.

By that time you'd probably be buying them from a secondary source so Paramount/CBS/Whoever owns it won't ever see that money.

Secondly: Silver Spring? Really? I lived there a couple of years ago.
 
Remember don't those numbers relate soley to the US and exclude the rest of the world. Pluse one has to factor in revenue earned from TV, in the UK for example TNG remastered is on two different channels daily Mon-Fri week in week out
 
I have a feeling IF we get DS9 on Blu-Ray it's going to be on the show's 25th anniversary, which will be 2018. Season One of TNG was released a few months before the 25th anniversary of "Encounter at Farpoint." That will give CBS time to reap more profit. Although, since next year is the 50th anniversary of Star Trek itself, perhaps there will be some type of boost. Who knows? It would be sad to let the other two series fade into obscurity.
 
They are more likely to invest in a time machine to go back and not do TNG if those figures are correct.

Shirts have been lost there.

I think over the long-term, CBS makes its money back on the TNG remaster (even Nemesis eventually made money). It just likely isn't the revenue generator they thought it would be.
 
Maybe TNG wasn't the big bucket of cash they hoped, but those numbers don't paint a picture of utter failure either. The remaster cost $9 million, didn't it? (Or am I remembering incorrectly?)

They made 6 million just from first week sales of each season, not counting seasons 2 and 6 and some of the movie specials. Between ongoing sales, two additional seasons and three specials, I'd put money on it that they broke even long ago.

And now TNG is in HD, ready to continue making them money into the future.
 
They are more likely to invest in a time machine to go back and not do TNG if those figures are correct.

Shirts have been lost there.

I think over the long-term, CBS makes its money back on the TNG remaster (even Nemesis eventually made money). It just likely isn't the revenue generator they thought it would be.

I expect they wanted profit from the Blu Rays plus years of gravy from Netflix and syndication. As it is, as you say, they will probably go into the black at some point, but there is no chance of them doing any more, IMHO.
 
I know this thread isn't on the main page anymore, but FWIW, I don't think the actual sales figures have been cited before. Eric AD over at the blu-ray.com forums did some research: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=10293194#post10293194

Here are the first week North American sales figures that are publicly available (mostly via the-numbers.com):

Next Level: 22,820 units / $342,066
Season 1: 36,110 units / $2,712,563
Season 2: N/A
Season 3: 16,060 units / $963,439
The Best of Both Worlds: 16,254 units / $245,594*
Season 4: 12,405 units / $755,850
Redemption: 9,428 units / $127,183
Season 5: 7,235 units / $434,028*
Unification: N/A
Season 6: 9,183 units / $568,705
Chain of Command: N/A
Season 7: N/A
All Good Things: N/A
----------------------------------------------
TOTAL: $6,149,428

Also:

Season 5: 13,152 units / $802,104 (after 18 weeks)
The Best of Both Worlds: $547,342 (after unknown number of weeks)

TOTAL: $6,819,252

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/chart-index

The one thing I didn't see were figures from the various Complete Journey releases, which is what I bought (the UK version). The numbers above suggest that they probably broke even, pending results from some of the N/A fields above. Obviously they'd have to do better than break even to overcome both the higher production cost of DS9 blu rays and the lower demand. But I wonder how much of a difference the complete sets would make in that regard.
As far as is apparent at the source level, these numbers are gross sales numbers, not the actual revenue CBS is seeing, which will be significantly lower.
 
I know this thread isn't on the main page anymore, but FWIW, I don't think the actual sales figures have been cited before. Eric AD over at the blu-ray.com forums did some research: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=10293194#post10293194

Here are the first week North American sales figures that are publicly available (mostly via the-numbers.com):

Next Level: 22,820 units / $342,066
Season 1: 36,110 units / $2,712,563
Season 2: N/A
Season 3: 16,060 units / $963,439
The Best of Both Worlds: 16,254 units / $245,594*
Season 4: 12,405 units / $755,850
Redemption: 9,428 units / $127,183
Season 5: 7,235 units / $434,028*
Unification: N/A
Season 6: 9,183 units / $568,705
Chain of Command: N/A
Season 7: N/A
All Good Things: N/A
----------------------------------------------
TOTAL: $6,149,428

Also:

Season 5: 13,152 units / $802,104 (after 18 weeks)
The Best of Both Worlds: $547,342 (after unknown number of weeks)

TOTAL: $6,819,252

http://www.the-numbers.com/home-market/chart-index

The one thing I didn't see were figures from the various Complete Journey releases, which is what I bought (the UK version). The numbers above suggest that they probably broke even, pending results from some of the N/A fields above. Obviously they'd have to do better than break even to overcome both the higher production cost of DS9 blu rays and the lower demand. But I wonder how much of a difference the complete sets would make in that regard.
As far as is apparent at the source level, these numbers are gross sales numbers, not the actual revenue CBS is seeing, which will be significantly lower.

For season one, those numbers project an average of $75 a unit. Most places I saw it available week one, were around $60 (all the seasons came out at around this price point).

Which would put the projected gross revenue generated at about $600,000 less than above for season one.
 
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