DS9 on blu ray?

[Relayer1]

It's funny how everyone is complaining about the price. Remember how much it used to cost for one video tape with just two episodes?

I hadn't used to buy them either.

I purchased the complete nu-Galactica bluray boxset for the U.K. equivalent of around $50. I haven't purchased the DVD's but I would like a Blu Ray copy before discs go the way of the dodo.

Judging by how much I was wiling to pay for Galactica, I'd say around $100 around what I'd be willing to pay for any of the complete (7 season) Trek shows, maybe a bit more for DS9. I doubt Paramount is overly excited by the riches I'm offering.

Yes, I'm probably cheap...

 

[Admiral Bear]

Judging by how much I was wiling to pay for Galactica, I'd say around $100 around what I'd be willing to pay for any of the complete (7 season) Trek shows, maybe a bit more for DS9. I doubt Paramount is overly excited by the riches I'm offering.

Yes, I'm probably cheap...

And this, boys, girls and transgendered species, is why DS9 will never see the light of day. CBS suits can come on here and see a Trek fan who actually wants to buy the sets proclaim they're only willing to pay £9 per 7 disc Blu-ray boxset.

John 11:35

 

[Relayer1]

Judging by how much I was wiling to pay for Galactica, I'd say around $100 around what I'd be willing to pay for any of the complete (7 season) Trek shows, maybe a bit more for DS9. I doubt Paramount is overly excited by the riches I'm offering.

Yes, I'm probably cheap...

And this, boys, girls and transgendered species, is why DS9 will never see the light of day. CBS suits can come on here and see a Trek fan who actually wants to buy the sets proclaim they're only willing to pay £9 per 7 disc Blu-ray boxset.

John 11:35

The complete 7 season TNG Bluray boxset (I wouldn't buy the individual seasons) is £141 on Amazon. It'll no doubt come down in price in a year or so or as a 'lightning deal'.

I rarely buy things when they are first released as I'm not that desperate for them, and I rarely pay full price. I'm not about to apologise for that - it's a combination of what I'm willing to pay - i.e. how much it is worth to me as I'm unlikely to ever watch it all the way through, and what I can afford. The less I pay, the more I can spend on other things I like.

It's elasticity of demand. The less it costs, the more people want it. I want it, but I'm prepared to wait - I'm a way down the demand curve...

 

[MacLeod]

Judging by how much I was wiling to pay for Galactica, I'd say around $100 around what I'd be willing to pay for any of the complete (7 season) Trek shows, maybe a bit more for DS9. I doubt Paramount is overly excited by the riches I'm offering.

Yes, I'm probably cheap...

And this, boys, girls and transgendered species, is why DS9 will never see the light of day. CBS suits can come on here and see a Trek fan who actually wants to buy the sets proclaim they're only willing to pay £9 per 7 disc Blu-ray boxset.

John 11:35

The complete 7 season TNG Bluray boxset (I wouldn't buy the individual seasons) is £141 on Amazon. It'll no doubt come down in price in a year or so or as a 'lightning deal'.

I rarely buy things when they are first released as I'm not that desperate for them, and I rarely pay full price. I'm not about to apologise for that - it's a combination of what I'm willing to pay - i.e. how much it is worth to me as I'm unlikely to ever watch it all the way through, and what I can afford. The less I pay, the more I can spend on other things I like.

It's elasticity of demand. The less it costs, the more people want it. I want it, but I'm prepared to wait - I'm a way down the demand curve...

The third rule of aquistion, never spend more for an aquisiton than you have to.

I suspect that eventually a deal will come on the TNG blu-rays box set in the UK at £99.99.

And as you rightly point out a lower cost could actually return a bigger return overall.

 

[Relayer1]

And as you rightly point out a lower cost could actually return a bigger return overall.

Which is where TPTB got it badly wrong with TNG. The 'Trek fanboys will fall over themselves to get at this, even for top dollar' approach was ridiculous.

 

[Sybok Was Wrong]

It's funny how everyone is complaining about the price. Remember how much it used to cost for one video tape with just two episodes?

Yup, I sure do. But that was the market then vs. what the market is now. Star Trek has always been overpriced vs. the current market.

Paramount/CBS has always gouged Star Trek fans because they think Trekkies are nerds that will pay up for anything!

They've lost sales from more casual fans in the world over the years as a result. I know more casual Trek viewers than hardcore Trekkies.

Then they look at their sales figures of DS9 DVDs and say, "Its not worth putting out Blurays" as they'll sell even less.

The studio's past greed & their beancounters have screwed DS9 for the future.

B5 DVD sales were really good by comparison- and that's because of price point.

 

[Rarewolf]

And as you rightly point out a lower cost could actually return a bigger return overall.

Which is where TPTB got it badly wrong with TNG. The 'Trek fanboys will fall over themselves to get at this, even for top dollar' approach was ridiculous.

Price never came into it for me. I'd have gladly paid twice the price for an unbeatable set of extras, there were too many compromises for me there.

Considering the VHS cost twice what the DVDs cost, which in turn were more than the Blu, the price per episode was getting silly.

 

[Dukhat]

But the fans who were buying early dropped out in a major way as well. The $64 Million Dollar question is why?

Probably for the same reason why I stopped buying the newest version of Lucas's changes to the SW trilogy: I was sick of spending money on something I already owned.

Plus, now I can watch TNG all I want on Netflix. Why do I need to buy expensive BluRays?

 

[MacLeod]

Isn't that part of the issue as well peoples expectations have changed as well, and whilst some might not care for extra's and just want a vanilla release others want their discs to be loaded with extra content. Sure SG-1 came later than TNG, but you can't say yhey are light on extra's. Most episode with audi commentaries, behined the scenes info.

 

[SPCTRE]

I'm not about to apologise for that

You apologize right now mister! Look at all the sad faces! You've ruined Star Trek!

 

[Shaka Zulu]

Call me a heretic. but I LOVE the remastered TOS and am currently going through TNG-R BRD. My son and I are almost through season 4 of TNG, with 5 already puchased and 6 on the way. I've waited to get fantastic prices from Amazon or their merchants, sometimes as low as $29.99 in perfect condition.

Both shows sparkle like never before. On our HD TV, the DVDs were unwatchable, with character motion way off and washed out colors. We recently watched "Q-Pid" and decided to end the "Vash Trilogy" with "Q-Less" (DS9, first season) and it looked HORRIBLE. Hoping/praying for a DS9-R, but not holding our collective breath.

My son said, "Well, let's get 'Enterprise' next! Maybe enough sales of that series will spark a DS9-R." I told him many fans feel that way and even the Okudas have hinted that may get CBS to remaster the lot if everyone buys TNG-R, but who knows? That's been batted about earlier in this thread quite eloquently.

I don't call you a heretic, but a smart man and a good Trekker.

I must ask, what kind of DVD player are you watching the standard Star Trek DVD's on?

Probably for the same reason why I stopped buying the newest version of Lucas's changes to the SW trilogy: I was sick of spending money on something I already owned.

Plus, now I can watch TNG all I want on Netflix. Why do I need to buy expensive BluRays?

Pardon me, but I've heard that the video quality of Netflix leaves a lot to be desired. If so, that's why most people are still buying Blu-Ray DVD's-I know that I'm doing so.

 

[Dukhat]

Pardon me, but I've heard that the video quality of Netflix leaves a lot to be desired. If so, that's why most people are still buying Blu-Ray DVD's-I know that I'm doing so.

Most people don't give a shit about Netflix's video quality (of which, IMHO, there's nothing wrong with it at all). They just want to stream stuff and only pay $7.99 a month to do so. And as far as BD goes, there's a difference between buying new stuff that's coming out on BD, and buying an old TV series that's essentially exactly the same as its DVD counterpart in terms of the actual content of the episodes except for the HD transfer.

 

[SPCTRE]

On a decent connection, Netflix 1080p streams look very good and are on par with Blu-ray image quality to the extent that a typical consumer will not notice/care about the difference.

Coupled with the inherent convenience, you can see why physical media is in under a lot of pressure to move in a more specialized, niche market segment in the short to mid term, which means differentiating by offering added content, collector value and the like.

 

[TheSeeker]

Is Netflix streaming the remastered version of TNG? If it's not it doesn't matter how good your connection is, it's still not going to look very good.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Is Netflix streaming the remastered version of TNG? If it's not it doesn't matter how good your connection is, it's still not going to look very good.

It is not. It looks pixelated as shit on my 55"

 

[Indysolo]

Amazon Prime has TNG in HD (seasons 1-6). With an Amazon FireTV device it's 1080p and Dolby Digital+.

Neil

 

[aj1981]

The problem with DS9 (and Voyager for that matter) on Bluray will always come down to the use of CGI effects from Season 3 onwards. The producers of the TNG Blurays have said they would have to recreate all of these sequences from scratch and I imagine that would cost a fair amount of money, enough to make the whole project unfeasible. Shame though, I'd love to see the battles scenes from "The Sacrifice of Angels" in HD.

 

[USS KG5]

Pardon me, but I've heard that the video quality of Netflix leaves a lot to be desired. If so, that's why most people are still buying Blu-Ray DVD's-I know that I'm doing so.

Most people don't give a shit about Netflix's video quality (of which, IMHO, there's nothing wrong with it at all). They just want to stream stuff and only pay $7.99 a month to do so. And as far as BD goes, there's a difference between buying new stuff that's coming out on BD, and buying an old TV series that's essentially exactly the same as its DVD counterpart in terms of the actual content of the episodes except for the HD transfer.

QFT!

It is a bit easy to read a lot of "physical media won't die" posts in here and see instead "I don't want physical media to die, I love it, it tells people what I love, I can collect it, its shiny and cool" heck I AGREE with those sentiments.

But, the video industry cares not one shit about my preferences, they care about $$$, and physical media, increasingly, does not make them, at least not for old re-released content.

Streaming is also, arguments about bandwidth availability and restrictive content agreements aside (both things which will get better with time) really really great for most people. Even as a collector every time I buy a Blu Ray I feel like more of a gullible berk!

 

[Lance]

And as far as BD goes, there's a difference between buying new stuff that's coming out on BD, and buying an old TV series that's essentially exactly the same as its DVD counterpart in terms of the actual content of the episodes except for the HD transfer.

And this is another thing where I kind of wish they'd pushed the boat out a little further. For me, the extended version of "The Measure Of A Man" was a BIG draw-card, and I love it. The deleted scenes and blooper reels also have been brilliant, as it's all material we haven't seen before. But when people simply (illegally) upload those things to Youtube within five minutes of buying the sets, and Joe Average can then just go there to watch them, then there isn't any new VAM left worth paying for. So there has to be something more. CBS didn't necessarily do enough to promote the fact that there was previously unseen original material on these discs.

Perhaps finding a way to do more 'extended length edits' with the deleted scenes incorporated into the main body of the episodes would've been a selling point. IMHO consumers will pay for something they've already got when they know they're getting something they've never seen before; but if they just think they're getting the same old episodes they've got on DVD already but just with a nice new transfer, and that they're being charged through the nose for the privlege, they're more likely to say "Meh, maybe someday down the track"..... except that day never comes.

Coupled with the inherent convenience, you can see why physical media is in under a lot of pressure to move in a more specialized, niche market segment in the short to mid term, which means differentiating by offering added content, collector value and the like.

Absolutely. There has to be something more, and IMO the TNG-R sets did have some great bonus material (the previously unseen blooper reels and deleted scenes), but one wonders if it was quite 'enough' for the average consumer... or whether CBS simply didn't advertise the fact loud enough.

 

[MikeS]

And as far as BD goes, there's a difference between buying new stuff that's coming out on BD, and buying an old TV series that's essentially exactly the same as its DVD counterpart in terms of the actual content of the episodes except for the HD transfer.

And this is another thing where I kind of wish they'd pushed the boat out a little further. For me, the extended version of "The Measure Of A Man" was a BIG draw-card, and I love it. The deleted scenes and blooper reels also have been brilliant, as it's all material we haven't seen before. But when people simply (illegally) upload those things to Youtube within five minutes of buying the sets, and Joe Average can then just go there to watch them, then there isn't any new VAM left worth paying for. So there has to be something more. CBS didn't necessarily do enough to promote the fact that there was previously unseen original material on these discs.

Perhaps finding a way to do more 'extended length edits' with the deleted scenes incorporated into the main body of the episodes would've been a selling point. IMHO consumers will pay for something they've already got when they know they're getting something they've never seen before; but if they just think they're getting the same old episodes they've got on DVD already but just with a nice new transfer, and that they're being charged through the nose for the privlege, they're more likely to say "Meh, maybe someday down the track"..... except that day never comes.

Coupled with the inherent convenience, you can see why physical media is in under a lot of pressure to move in a more specialized, niche market segment in the short to mid term, which means differentiating by offering added content, collector value and the like.

Absolutely. There has to be something more, and IMO the TNG-R sets did have some great bonus material (the previously unseen blooper reels and deleted scenes), but one wonders if it was quite 'enough' for the average consumer... or whether CBS simply didn't advertise the fact loud enough.

I consider myself a bigger fan than the "average Joe" (I feel that just visiting this board proves that ) and have purchased all the Blu-ray's. But, aside from The Measure of a Man extension, I haven't bothered to watch much of the VAM. I certainly don't purchase media for the extra's and I doubt casual fans do. It is plainly the improved picture quality that attracts me to Blu-ray. Cut the "value" added crap and the price - then people will come. Simple.