Discussion in 'Star Trek: Deep Space Nine' started by borgboy, Nov 28, 2013.
Hmm... I dunno. Maybe we weren't supposed to look too carefully.
I think you just have two slightly different shots that you are comparing. As the shot starts the nacelle cap appears to be hidden by the pylon but as the shot moves up and the perspective changes the nacelle cap is revealed. At least that's what I'm seeing from the video you linked.
You can always do your own movie edit, if you have the software and hardware to do it.
It's time for people to accept that HDTV is here, and that in order for older shows to be aired and accepted in the new medium, they may have to be modified somewhat.
For my part, I would've loved to have seen a re-master of TNG in which all of the ships are replaced with new CGI ships,but I guess that CBS wasn't willing (or didn't have the moolah) to make it like that. Hopefully, that can be done with DS9
Yep the very last shot with the pull out from the promenade if memory serves.
Yep, only the very last shot of the station in the entire series is CG. The CG model had been created well before, but was never needed. For the last shot (pulling out from Jake/Kira in the promenade to the exterior of the station and out into space), logistically CG was the best way to do this.
Why would model shots on film whose resolution is already far greater than your HDTV is even capable of displaying need to be modified? In order for older shows to be accepted we have to give the audience worse shots with less resolution? I'm not quite following that logic.
It's the same mentality that brought on colorization of black and white films. Sure, there will always be folks that will dismiss watching a film if it's older than their parents and presented in black and white, but that's THEIR problem, not the show's or film's.
In DS9's case, it's the fact that all of the editing was done on videotape. That destroyed the HD resolution right away. From then on, DS9 maxed out at 480i. That's why it has to be remastered for HD.
That explains why it needs to be remastered; it doesn't explain why it needs to be modified.
Yeah, there's a bit too much of a George Lucas mentality going on. This is supposed to be a remastering, not a re-imagining.
Exactly, only there's actually more resolution on film than there would be on a 1080 CGI effect, so it's like advocating taking modern color films and making them black and white in order to appeal to a modern audience, which doesn't make sense on a superficial level. Again, Shaka's going to have to explain the logic of that, because I'm just not getting it.
That's not what we're talking about. Shaka is saying the model shots should not be remastered in HD, but should be thrown out in favor of digital CGI shots, because... well, I'm not sure why. That's the part I'm not getting.
Me neither. What they are asking for is a different TV show.
So the shots of the station during the battle sequences with lots of ships -- were those all model ships that were shot and duplicated in the final render, or was it CGI mixed with models? I would imagine back then that mixing model and CGI ships on the same shot would be a bad idea, right? Anyway, this is cool to learn. I didn't realize that the last shot of the series was the only CGI station. Cool stuff.
So, if we were taking bets, when do you suppose DS9 season 1 could come on blu-ray? December? February '15? Next spring? I can see an argument for each of these possibilities.
Not to put a downer on things, but I don't think DS9 is a lock for Blu-ray at this point. Unfortunately, "not at all" is still a definite possibility.
I really hope not though, as I'd still be there day and date despite the show being my least favoured iteration of Trek.
We're still waiting on Season 6 & 7 of TNG to be released, so it's going to be a very premature guess. Looks like both of those will be released this year. My guess for DS9 would be YES we'll get them (), we'll start to hear news about the release this summer, and Season 1 will be released either in time for Christmas 2014, or possibly some time early next year. That's my uninformed guess! :P Would it be unheard of for them to include a DS9 sneak peak on the Season 7 TNG release?
Thankfully not much of early DS9 used CGI, with just Odo and the wormhole. The cost should steadily ramp up as the show goes along.
Setting up distribution deals with Netflix/Hulu/Amazon should help. I'm sure Blu-ray sales are only a part of the overall big picture.
TNG-HD was announced in September 2011, and season 1 was released in July 2012. So if they were to announce DS9 shortly after TNG season 7 was out, then season 1 would come out around September 2015. That's IF they announce it right away. I'm sure there will be months of rumoring before that.
I'm guessing that CBS wants the show in HD, and I'm guessing that they don't particularly want to lay off all the extra CBS-Digital staff who have working on Next Gen for the past three years... so from a logicistical perspective, I would say if DS9 HD is going to happen, it's going to happen sooner rather than later, striking while the iron is hot. They might even be scouring the vaults for the film reels now.
Totally optimistic guess on my part, but hey, what's the alternative? They finish TNG and everyone stops working and goes home?
It would make sense for them to do it now with the staff they currently have in place. At this point they are a well oiled machine and it would a waste of resources and talent not to plow through and get the remaining series done.
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