DS9 is still the best

[Penhall99]

TOS will always be my favorite, but I really liked DS9 too. The whole Dominion War arc was probably my favorite, as I'd always wanted to see a prolonged "Star Trek War" storyline.

DS9 took chances and did different things, and I'll always appreciate it for that.

 

[RandyS]

I want DS9 back. They could so easily make more

Well, I assume they could so easily.

Not easily no. they'd have to lure back the cast, which, knowing Hollywood, would cost alot of $$$$. In the end, they'd try, but after a few months, would announce that "they couldn't reach an agreement", or whatever.

But the bottom line, aside from actor availability, would be $$$$.

 

[psikeyhackr]

I saw the movie on the 10th.

I was actually expecting to dislike it on the basis of the trailers but it was better than I expected. I am not a Kirk fan. TOS it too 60's. Even though I watched the very first episode in the 60s. I think the first pilot The Cage showed the direction that Roddenberry really wanted to go in and The Next Generation is closer to what he intended than TOS was.

But DS9 is more what I like as a science fiction fan. I'm not really a Star Trek fan. Of course Babylon 5 is better then DS9.

But the movie was OK in a kind of no brainer Wrath of the Menagerie sort of way. Someone trying to get revenge on a TOS lead character. Two Spocks from different time periods. Christopher Pike getting the parasite treatment and ending up in a wheel chair. Enough nostalgia to be interesting but a plot too shallow to be significant.

psik

 

[Fish1941]

Saw the movie, it was pretty good, btu was never a fan of TOS, so it wasn't amazing for me. DS9 is what got me really hooked on the ST universe.

I disagree. I think that DS9 had the best premise. But I never thought it had ever fulfilled its promise. Which is why I think it is just about as good as TNG and VOY.

 

[Too Much Fun]

But I never thought it had ever fulfilled its promise. Which is why I think it is just about as good as TNG and VOY.

Saying it could have been more is fair enough but calling it no better than Voyager really irks me. It was a hell of a lot more daring, original, and creative in terms of what it did with its characters and premise than Voyager was.

I think in terms of quality it's understandable if someone considers it about equal with TNG (I'm personally having trouble deciding which one I think is better), but it undeniably tried more new things than those shows, which were very fomulaic by comparison.

I admit I'm biased because I despise Voyager, but even from an objective standpoint I can't believe anyone could think Voyager can ever be plausibly argued as equal to DS9 in quality.

 

[TheGodBen]

I disagree. I think that DS9 had the best premise. But I never thought it had ever fulfilled its promise. Which is why I think it is just about as good as TNG and VOY.

I honestly don't see how you came to that point of view, DS9's premise was a recipe for boredom; a space station stuck near a planet of religious freaks. Star Trek was a show about boldly going, DS9's stationary nature seemed like it was going to be an utter disaster. However, after an iffy first season the writers began to increase the scope of the show and not only did DS9 exceed its promise, it became the largest and most complex of all the Trek series.

If you want to criticise a show with a great premise that was wasted then look at what happened on Voyager.

 

[timelord1010]

I agree with GodBen, Voyager had a great premise: A starship trapped on the farside of the Galaxy. The ship should have been juryrigged and in patched up shape by the time it got back to Earth/Federation space. Corridors should have been dark due to power conservation like when M-5 shut down areas of the ship not in use in the TOS episode "Ultimate Computer". The Maquis should not have mixed with the crew right away and 7 of 9 should not have been turned into a human till the end of the season.

Also, Enterprise should have been set closer to the Earth-Romulan War and the time travel should have involved future Romulans who wanted to change time and have Romulus win the war. Also, Enterprise should not have been called Enterprise but that is a argument for another discussion.

Even thou I love DS9 it cheated on it's original premise of having the action come to the station, especially when the Defiant was introduced. But then some of my favorite stories take place after the Defiant shows up. The only thing I would have changed on DS9 is not sending Sisko off with the profits and giving DS9 another seaso or two.

 

[Fish1941]

Saying it could have been more is fair enough but calling it no better than Voyager really irks me. It was a hell of a lot more daring, original, and creative in terms of what it did with its characters and premise than Voyager was.

I admit I'm biased because I despise Voyager, but even from an objective standpoint I can't believe anyone could think Voyager can ever be plausibly argued as equal to DS9 in quality.

You have your feelings. I have mine. As far as I'm concerned, Deep Space Nine failed to fulfill its potential to be better than either Next Generation or Voyager. I believe that some rather sloppy writing and plotholes tripped it up in the end.

VOY is my favorite series. Yet, I don't consider it better than TNG or DS9. All three series, as far as I'm concerned had its own set of virtues and flaws. But I consider the three better than TOS or ENT.

The Maquis should not have mixed with the crew right away and 7 of 9 should not have been turned into a human till the end of the season.

It took nearly two seasons for the Starfleet/Maquis conflict to officially end on VOYAGER, thanks to Seska and the Kazon. As for Seven, it took her a lot longer to fully embrace her humanity. Nearly up to the bitter end.

 

[TheGodBen]

You have your feelings. I have mine.

You'll have to forgive us Niners, we have something of a superiority complex.

But I still don't see how you think that DS9 failed to live up to its promise while Voyager managed to, what did you expect from both shows? DS9 is a much more complex show than any of the other Star Treks and took the universe to a whole new level, Voyager just faffed about in the DQ for 7 years and stayed rigidly episodic. I have no problem with people preferring Voyager to DS9, but even the most ardent Voyager fans are willing to admit that the show could have been much more.

 

[RandyS]

I think in terms of quality it's understandable if someone considers it about equal with TNG (I'm personally having trouble deciding which one I think is better)

Then I'll decide for you. Neither is better. TNG and DS9 were equally good. They were the high point of Star Trek.

 

[Fish1941]

But I still don't see how you think that DS9 failed to live up to its promise while Voyager managed to, what did you expect from both shows? DS9 is a much more complex show than any of the other Star Treks and took the universe to a whole new level, Voyager just faffed about in the DQ for 7 years and stayed rigidly episodic. I have no problem with people preferring Voyager to DS9, but even the most ardent Voyager fans are willing to admit that the show could have been much more.

I'm going to say this again. You have your opinion. I have mine. I'm sorry that you don't understand my opinion, but it stands. This is how I feel. DS9 was a good show. But it was also overrated and I believe that it was no better or worse than TNG or VOY.

Then I'll decide for you. Neither is better. TNG and DS9 were equally good. They were the high point of Star Trek.

For me, its TNG, DS9 and VOY. I used to believe that TNG and DS9 were the best shows. But in the past decade, my opinion has changed.

 

[TheGodBen]

I'm going to say this again. You have your opinion. I have mine. I'm sorry that you don't understand my opinion, but it stands. This is how I feel. DS9 was a good show. But it was also overrated and I believe that it was no better or worse than TNG or VOY.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that your opinion is invalid I am merely asking you to elaborate on it. Even people who hate what DS9 did with the franchise will usually admit that it exceeded its original premise, so it is peculiar when somebody says otherwise. I'm not judging you for holding your opinion, I'm just interested in finding out why you have the opinion you do.

For example, I don't like this new Star Trek even though the majority opinion is that it is fantastic, but when I post in the Trek XI forum I try to elaborate on why I don't like it. I don't post there saying "This movie did not live up to its promise", I explain how I think it failed to be a good movie. This is a discussion board, that's how things are supposed to work here.

So I'm just curious, in what way do you think DS9 failed to live up to its promise?

 

[borgfan8of5]

DS9 is probably the best series in the franchise. I really enjoy the fact that it does have a long running storyline in which descisions from one episode have a major effect on another episode that could be seasons away.

 

[indranee]

I'm a Niner. been one since Day One. and even I know a DS9 movie would drop like the Everest in a swimming pool. face it, folks: DS9 was great, but has little popularity outside its fairly small fan base.

 

[Frazzled]

Voyager will always be my favourite series.

However I have to say that DS9 got the best writing by far, and some of the best storylines. As a Voyager fan I sometimes watch DS9 and weep for what could have been could VOY have had that sort of good treatment. Especially the way everything seems to be followed up properly, nothing is left hanging in mid air then not referred to ever again. They finish DS9 episodes properly, the plot tends to be wrapped up five minutes before the end then you get to see the effects of everything from everyones point of view. I love that.

 

[arasam22]

I've been trying so hard to hang on to my firm belief that TNG will always be the best of the series after growing up watching it.

i am the same way... O.o

i've been a fan of TNG for four years now... and i just started watching DS9 two weeks ago (i'm in season 6 right now). i WANT TNG to still be my favorite... but i don't know if i can. i think what's pushing me more towards DS9 as my favorite is that i love basically all of the characters. garak, odo, bashir, kira, sisko, dax, dukat... everybody! and in TNG i LOVE picard and data but am just meh about the rest of the cast.

i dunno. tng will always hold a special place in my heart as the first trek series i ever watched and loved, but DS9 is just sooo good.

 

[tomalak301]

Like both. That's what I do and it leaves me the difficult task of having a choose.

 

[flemm]

Then I'll decide for you. Neither is better. TNG and DS9 were equally good. They were the high point of Star Trek.

I have to agree with you here. I'm not sure we will ever again see Trek of the depth and scope that we had in the later seasons of DS9, which of course built on the incredible run TNG had had previously.

When I watch Voyager, I am never sure whether I should be surprised at how bland and uninspiring it is, or whether I should be amazed and glad that TNG and DS9 were as good as they turned out to be.

After all, TNG could easily have been what Voyager was: a dull and pointless shadow of its predecessor. And DS9 could easily have been a disaster, replacing exploration with stories of "what alien comes out of the wormhole this week?" Instead it ended up providing the most ambitious story arcs ever seen in Trek.

A lot of stars had to align for those shows to work out so well. I liked the new movie a lot and am optimistic that the sequel will be even better, but I expect that for me the TNG/DS9 years will always be the golden age.

 

[robtclements]

However, I don't see why so many people seem to compare the new movie to the various Trek series.

Probably because there was this big, misguided belief that the movie would be a revival of the mystical realm of Trek, rather than a big, dumb pile of product-placement marketing for people who think that Alien vs Predator is just a bit too cerebral. If it had been called Starlight, people here would have taken it or left it without too much of fuss; because it's called Star trek, saying Computer - erase that entire log entry about it is seen to be letting the side down. I have no ill-will to the film particularly; but no particular good-will to it, either... after all, a hardcore Niner such as myself was precisely the kind of audience Abrams & his collaborateurs were determined to keep out. I might actually want a sensible plot & something ressembling soul

I wonder when someone will do a serious fan film about the DS9 characters?