Basically, two people traumatized in different ways by the same event. Somehow one is more worthy of sympathy from the audience than the other?
DS9 for those who don't necessarily love DS9?
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Personally I don't think it's a competition. Other's mileage may vary.
Too be clear, I'm not claiming one could decide between the two ... or should.
I think that's a much less apt metaphor, because cults and cult deprogramming are very real human phenomena, and literal mind control is not, so "unwillingly joined a cult" does not adequately convey the horror of Borg assimilation. There's a reason TV Tropes has an extensive listing focusing on the concept.
Of course not, but, like I said, Sisko has every right to seek therapy for his trauma, but no right to berate Picard for something that wasn't remotely his fault. Not to mention, it's grossly unprofessional.
The fact that it's the point doesn't excuse the behavior, or compel me to like Sisko for it.
I'm preeeetttty sure Maddox isn't intended to be the hero of that story.
Though I acknowledge I should give the episode another try at some point, to gain the proper broader perspective.
It's an attempt to at least frame it from Sisko's perspective, as opposed to 'Sisko hates someone because they got raped', which does not describe the situation at all.
It's grossly unprofessional to speak in a gruff manner?
Is it logical for Sisko to hold a grudge against Picard? Not really. But I completely understand it.
IIRC, Andre Bormanis let down the TNG writers by telling them the actual Apollo 13 astronauts were significantly more sedate than their movie counterparts. If professionalism were something accurately portrayed in Trek, there would be little dialogue left. A lot is exaggerated to make for dramatic and entertaining television.
Right? I'm not sure what rights you are referring to. There is no hierarchy of suffering. Michael Piller wrote both episodes, and he decided that his hero needed to express his pain to the face that represented it. From Family to this episode, Picard was considered rto have been healed ( in the TV sense, of course). If Picard could take it in stride, so can the fans.
ETA: before we go any further, let's remember that Picard "healed" himself by beating the crap out of his brother. I think I prefer Sisko's approach.
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This is arguably one of the most facile, useless and just plain wrong opinions about this show I've ever come across.
Reading back that passage, it seems to poster is arguing that someone in uniform should have no compunction to kill.
Horrifying.
It took me a few years but now its the best. Still, I hate Voyager. I've tried but I hate it. Its like Gilligan's Island in space. Stupid premise that a capt would strand the crew that far away for some species.
I never cared for Voyager and I'm amazed by the people who really love it.
I just watched the scene for the first time in over a decade, and the episode in full for the first time. Yes, Sisko was grossly unprofessional to Picard to, in your words, "give a bunch of attitude" to a senior officer without any just cause or warning, so I wasn't wrong, but, having now seen the resolution to the encounter with the wormhole aliens, I now understand why it was narratively necessary to have him be so unreasonable in that particular scene. (How Picard could have failed to notice Sisko's tragic posting to the Saratoga in his file is a mystery, however. Where's Troi when one needs her?!) I wish we'd gotten more information on why Sisko chose to remain with Starfleet in the first place, given that bringing kids on starships puts them in danger, and why the brass chose him for the DS9 posting.
All in all, it was a pretty good pilot, though I still suspect the whole wormhole-gods-woo-woo won't be my favorite aspect of the show. I like the politics, military brinksmanship, and frontier town Western vibes much more.
I also watched "Battle Lines" the night before "Emissary," and I liked it more. A creepy, Twilight Zone-esque tale of a strange hell far beyond the known universe. Though I'm not sure what the two warring sides could do once/if they do stop fighting each other? There didn't look to be much else to do on that barren rock of a moon, and one has to wonder how or if they eat/bathe/etc...
IMHO, the whole point of that moment with Picard was to show that Sisko was a flawed human being. Someone who‘s become irrational because of the grief he’s experienced. They wanted to contrast Sisko with the “evolved” Picard and make sure that viewers understood that Sisko is a different kind of series lead. Someone who’s not perfect and who has a bunch of demons to excise. On a rational level Sisko knows that it wasn’t Picard who’s responsible for the death of his wife, but he still has the face of the person he remembers being responsible for it. That he doesn’t know what to do with his grief and where to direct his anger is absolutely what’s happening in the scene. And I think it’s very human to react the way Sisko did towards Picard, his status as a senior officer be damned. Hell, Sisko made it clear that he wasn’t even sure if he was going to remain in the service.
Well, yeah.
I think it'd have been more effective, though, to write and act a subtler scene. Maybe have Sisko be uncomfortable meeting Picard, hearing echoes of the battle, becoming distracted - standard PTSD stuff. Barging in and projecting hostility in one of his first scenes just made him look bullheaded. Anyhow, that's all the thoughts I have on the matter, and I'll leave it at that.
When you’re grieving and traumatised you’re not always in control of your behaviour, the trauma kind of takes over. It’s an uncomfortable scene to be sure but it’s meant to be. The episode is about healing and by the end Sisko has clearly made peace with his past and with Picard, who’d unfortunately become the face of his grief.
this is what i do. i see the title of an episode. a synopsis. i go to google and see what the reception say about it. if its bad then i skip it.
if you on netflix then you can see a short synopsis on each one.
if you on netflix then you can see a short synopsis on each one.
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