DS9 for those who don't necessarily love DS9?

[Bad Thoughts]

Thank you for this; I was trying to figure out when Sisko had ever been pissy at a rape victim.

Basically, two people traumatized in different ways by the same event. Somehow one is more worthy of sympathy from the audience than the other?

 

[Tosk]

Sisko may be a little too curt to Picard but it's not like he even says anything out of line. He just gives a bunch of attitude.

 

[DonIago]

Basically, two people traumatized in different ways by the same event. Somehow one is more worthy of sympathy from the audience than the other?

Personally I don't think it's a competition. Other's mileage may vary.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Personally I don't think it's a competition. Other's mileage may vary.

Too be clear, I'm not claiming one could decide between the two ... or should.

 

[Gaith]

Picard unwillingly joined a cult and then killed Sisko's wife before being rescued from the cult and deprogrammed

I think that's a much less apt metaphor, because cults and cult deprogramming are very real human phenomena, and literal mind control is not, so "unwillingly joined a cult" does not adequately convey the horror of Borg assimilation. There's a reason TV Tropes has an extensive listing focusing on the concept.

Basically, two people traumatized in different ways by the same event. Somehow one is more worthy of sympathy from the audience than the other?

Of course not, but, like I said, Sisko has every right to seek therapy for his trauma, but no right to berate Picard for something that wasn't remotely his fault. Not to mention, it's grossly unprofessional.

I'm a bit baffled as to why Sisk's being accused of being "unreasonably pissy" or showing "irrational hostility" when that's the point. As the Prophets themselves say, Sisko has existed at the moment of his wife's death and hasn't been able to move past it.

The fact that it's the point doesn't excuse the behavior, or compel me to like Sisko for it.

This seems akin to criticizing "Measure of a Man" for spending so much time dwelling on the question of whether Data should have rights.

I'm preeeetttty sure Maddox isn't intended to be the hero of that story. Though I acknowledge I should give the episode another try at some point, to gain the proper broader perspective.

 

[Tosk]

I think that's a much less apt metaphor, because cults and cult deprogramming are very real human phenomena, and literal mind control is not, so "unwillingly joined a cult" does not adequately convey the horror of Borg assimilation.

It's an attempt to at least frame it from Sisko's perspective, as opposed to 'Sisko hates someone because they got raped', which does not describe the situation at all.

but no right to berate Picard for something that wasn't remotely his fault. Not to mention, it's grossly unprofessional.

It's grossly unprofessional to speak in a gruff manner?

Is it logical for Sisko to hold a grudge against Picard? Not really. But I completely understand it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

It's grossly unprofessional to speak in a gruff manner?

Is it logical

IIRC, Andre Bormanis let down the TNG writers by telling them the actual Apollo 13 astronauts were significantly more sedate than their movie counterparts. If professionalism were something accurately portrayed in Trek, there would be little dialogue left. A lot is exaggerated to make for dramatic and entertaining television.

Of course not, but, like I said, Sisko has every right to seek therapy for his trauma, but no right to berate Picard for something that wasn't remotely his fault. Not to mention, it's grossly unprofessional.

Right? I'm not sure what rights you are referring to. There is no hierarchy of suffering. Michael Piller wrote both episodes, and he decided that his hero needed to express his pain to the face that represented it. From Family to this episode, Picard was considered rto have been healed ( in the TV sense, of course). If Picard could take it in stride, so can the fans.

ETA: before we go any further, let's remember that Picard "healed" himself by beating the crap out of his brother. I think I prefer Sisko's approach.