Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Tom, May 2, 2019.

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Drop the Section 31 show for a the Pike show?

  1. Yes, I want a Pike show, and do not want a Section 31 show.

    117 vote(s)
    55.5%
  2. No, I want a Section 31 show, and do not want a show with Pike.

    9 vote(s)
    4.3%
  3. I want a show that feature both Pike and crew on the Enterprise and Section 31 with Georgiou.

    21 vote(s)
    10.0%
  4. I trust CBS to give me something I will like!

    12 vote(s)
    5.7%
  5. I want to see both! as separate shows.

    52 vote(s)
    24.6%
  1. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I really rather doubt that Captain Picard would ever have treated his bridge crew the way Jellico did, war or not.
     
  2. King Bob!

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    Go watch how he treats Riker in "Farpoint". He isn't someone interested in excuses, he is interested in having his orders followed.
     
  3. DaveyNY

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    One Instance in the very first episode, which BTW was a test of Picard's new #1 (Riker's) abilities more than any indication of the Captain being any kind of "hard ass".

    I think you're projecting what you would have like to have seen Picard become, more than what we actually saw over seven seasons.
     
  4. King Bob!

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    Picard could be a hardass with the best of them.
     
  5. DaveyNY

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    Undoubtedly, but it was never Picard's modus operandi on a daily or even very often basis.
    Unlike Captain Jellico who appeared to be in that mode constantly and relied on it to keep his crew in check 24/7.
     
  6. King Bob!

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    Actually, he didn't. He didn't become the hardass until the crew started pushing back on his orders because he wasn't coddling them like Picard. He came on board the Enterprise, was very cordial with Riker, until Riker decided not to follow his orders and not even communicate with him that he wasn't carrying them out. I tend to think that Picard would've soured quickly on Rlker, if he came out of the Battle Bridge ready room an hour later and the saucer hadn't been reconnected. With Riker saying that the other officers didn't think it was a good idea and he was going to tell Picard later.

    They tried to write Jellico as the ass of the story, mistreating the poor downtrodden Enterprise crew, but what they did was make the crew look bad and ill prepared to do their jobs.
     
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  7. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    Jellico did nothing wrong, prepared a whiny crew complaining about "that's not how Captain Picard did it" for a potential war and made Troi wear a proper uniform. Riker's behaviour was embarrassing.
     
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  8. Amasov

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    Honestly, I want both but if you asked me which one I want more? Pike.
     
  9. lazarus+

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    the thing that resonates with me about jellico to this day:

    no one said that what he asked for was impossible, just that it was difficult

    in other words, they didn't want to do it because they foresaw difficulty, not because they foresaw impossibility

    regardless of concerns about whether it is a "better way" you do the job the captain ordered you to do.
     
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  10. Noname Given

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    Um...then what's the difference that your attempting to make with Jellico? Riker DISOBEYED a simple order - and didn't even notify Jellico in a timely fashion about the Dept. Heads concerns either. Riker failed out of the gate for his new Captain big time on a very simple and straightforward order.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    He might have if the crew turned into the kind of whiny bitches with him they did with Jellico.

    But here's something people overlook when they complain that Jellico was an unfair hardass. The crew whined just as much as they did in Chain of Command as they did in Sins of the Father when Kurn was acting XO and enforced a strict regime in the Enterprise, and that was with Picard's supervision and blessing.
    Indeed, which is proven by the scene with Geordi reacting to Jellico's wishes like "that's totally impossible" and then Data steps in and explains how it's totally possible.
     
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