I like them. It's that little bit of retro-futuristic cheesiness that a modern Trek series needs.
Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?
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I like them. It's that little bit of retro-futuristic cheesiness that a modern Trek series needs.
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Why does a modern Trek series need retro-futuristic cheesiness?
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It's a franchise with over 50 years of history, a franchise that's been running that long needs little visual signifiers to connect with its roots.
How do spaceman shoulders and weird asymmetrical collars connect the franchise to its roots? These are changes, not callbacks.
here's my idea about this, call me crazy:
don't make a pike series or a georgiou/section 31 series. instead, fulfill bryan fuller's concept of a star trek anthology show and do both and more. the producers now have sets for the enterprise and the section 31 ship in their back pocket, they're no longer hamstrung by the expense of building assets for a single season then moving on from them. they can do a season of pike, a season of section 31, a season of starfleet academy, and then move on and tell different stories too. the benefit being we won't get overwhelmed by the sheer number of these shows or tired of them once the novelty wears off, like we did with netflix's marvel shows. if there's a demand for more pike, the anthology show can circle back and continue that story. or, at the very least, they could announce these shows as limited series and dodge that looming notion of "star trek fatigue" which is already being whispered about.
anyway, just a thought.
don't make a pike series or a georgiou/section 31 series. instead, fulfill bryan fuller's concept of a star trek anthology show and do both and more. the producers now have sets for the enterprise and the section 31 ship in their back pocket, they're no longer hamstrung by the expense of building assets for a single season then moving on from them. they can do a season of pike, a season of section 31, a season of starfleet academy, and then move on and tell different stories too. the benefit being we won't get overwhelmed by the sheer number of these shows or tired of them once the novelty wears off, like we did with netflix's marvel shows. if there's a demand for more pike, the anthology show can circle back and continue that story. or, at the very least, they could announce these shows as limited series and dodge that looming notion of "star trek fatigue" which is already being whispered about.
anyway, just a thought.
no but fingers crossed they get them to the enterprise crew before they get their own spinoff.
What in STD doesn't qualify?
I kind of feel like that's what Short Treks are doing. Starting off, they were much more Discovery-focused, but, given that we have several Pike ones coming, some animated, and one to set up Picard, there's no reason they couldn't do what the original version of Discovery was supposed to do.
Hell, we could even have Short Treks centered around Deep Space Nine, Voyager, or Enterprise characters.
This I fully support! It would be really cool. People like to see how these characters are doing after all these years, and this would allow to do something bespoke to them, instead of them all just showing up on Picard. (Not that I have anything against familiar faces appearing on that show either.)
I don't have anything against them appearing on Picard either, but, it would have to make sense within the context of the story. I don't want characters from past Trek shows popping up at random times just because they can.
I'm definitely looking forward to the Section 31 show and Michelle Yeoh as the star of it. I say this as someone who thinks Section 31 is absolutely a villain of the Star Trek universe the same way the Romulans, Klingons, and Cardassians are. They're an ideological foe of the Federation's values the same way that the typical "Evil Admiral" plot is.
I also am not particularly concerned about the fact that Michelle Yeoh's Empress is the star because she's evil. The show never makes a pretense that she's not evil. Yes, they're portraying her as funny in an appalling way. She's basically Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Entertaining? Yes. Evil? Yes.
I'm going to watch it because it's fun.
I'd also love a Klingon (original recipe) show because I love Game of Thrones meets Star Trek. I wouldn't watch it because blood drinking berserkers are fun role models.
I also am not particularly concerned about the fact that Michelle Yeoh's Empress is the star because she's evil. The show never makes a pretense that she's not evil. Yes, they're portraying her as funny in an appalling way. She's basically Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Entertaining? Yes. Evil? Yes.
I'm going to watch it because it's fun.
I'd also love a Klingon (original recipe) show because I love Game of Thrones meets Star Trek. I wouldn't watch it because blood drinking berserkers are fun role models.
Exactly my point. I appreciate the love and passion for the characters, and the nostalgia factor plays very heavily here. But, I also want it to make sense in the context of the story. Randomly dropping in characters just because is just making "small universe syndrome" all the more apparent.
It would be almost as silly as making the main character an adopted sister of a previous well known character, and then dragging that character and his mates from the previous show (albeit all recast) on the new show.
Yeah, that was pretty silly. I shouldn't expect anything less from a Star Trek production.
...and then revealing that this character and his mates still more exciting than new original characters...
Excuse me, I nearly gave up STDSC s1 because of this "hey, you can't ignore our show, we have Spock's sister on board, you MUST love her". Now I love s2 thanks to Pike.
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Yeah the whole "look its Spocks sister no one has ever heard of" angle fell rather flat for me from the start but I was willing to give the character a fair shot anyway.
Lorca's presence was a great stabiliser for the show in S1 until it all went MU stupid.
Pike's presence was the same in S2, luckily they didnt throw him under the bus, not that they could as he does have canon armor after all.
As much as the writers like to think the show can stand on an ensemble cast it really does boil down to the calibre of the character and actress/actor in the Captains Chair and it always will, without it these kinds of shows dont work.
What would S1 have been with no Lorca and S2 with no Pike, whether or not the Saru character can fill that void remains to be seen.
Same goes for the jump into the future as well, its very risky and may not pay off, I hope the writers know what they are doing and didnt decide on this course of action just to escape canon, after all its that very same canon that has brought all the Star Trek fans back to watch it in the first place.
Without an established Captains stabilising presence plus canon events before and after it just becomes a generic scifi show.
I hope for the best but I do think S3 will be make or break, assuming that decision hasnt already been made one way or the other, bringing in the Enterprise and Pike saved the show in my eyes at least up until all the Red Angel yawnfest reveals, that door is now closed and they wont be able to rely on anything like that for S3.
Lorca's presence was a great stabiliser for the show in S1 until it all went MU stupid.
Pike's presence was the same in S2, luckily they didnt throw him under the bus, not that they could as he does have canon armor after all.
As much as the writers like to think the show can stand on an ensemble cast it really does boil down to the calibre of the character and actress/actor in the Captains Chair and it always will, without it these kinds of shows dont work.
What would S1 have been with no Lorca and S2 with no Pike, whether or not the Saru character can fill that void remains to be seen.
Same goes for the jump into the future as well, its very risky and may not pay off, I hope the writers know what they are doing and didnt decide on this course of action just to escape canon, after all its that very same canon that has brought all the Star Trek fans back to watch it in the first place.
Without an established Captains stabilising presence plus canon events before and after it just becomes a generic scifi show.
I hope for the best but I do think S3 will be make or break, assuming that decision hasnt already been made one way or the other, bringing in the Enterprise and Pike saved the show in my eyes at least up until all the Red Angel yawnfest reveals, that door is now closed and they wont be able to rely on anything like that for S3.
Unlike Spock's long lost sister, TNG characters are Picard's closest...nay, only friends. We already know that a few of them will be showing up. And if there are others that don't show up, it would be strange for them not to be mentioned. It is a small universe. It's Picard's universe.
Someone mentioned Beverly. Would it be strange to see her? Picard's closest friend, and possibly his wife or ex wife?
No one is expecting a show where Picard is captain of a bunch of senior citizens going on their old adventures. There's no reason why old friends wouldn't show up. It would make sense in any Picard story.
Someone mentioned Beverly. Would it be strange to see her? Picard's closest friend, and possibly his wife or ex wife?
No one is expecting a show where Picard is captain of a bunch of senior citizens going on their old adventures. There's no reason why old friends wouldn't show up. It would make sense in any Picard story.
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