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Dragonball raped at the box office

For the movie, they compressed about 51 hours worth of plot into 84 minutes. 51 hours into 84 minutes. They had to dump a a great many characters, and practically all fo the backstory, and plot, and character development, to acomplish this.
But the Dragonball franchise is the king of stalling and pointlessness so minus that and you probabally get an ultimate actual story time of about 8 hours which isn't so bad. :lol:

The movie actually did you a favor compressing it and cutting out all the uselessness. We didn't have to sit through stupid toilet humor, or annoying talking animals, or 20 minutes of grunting and screaming before they launched a single attack. I don't mind that it's Dragonball-lite.
 
Dragonball Z was the king of stalling. That was the point that the anime began to overtake Toriyama's writing, so that the anime writers had to buy time for Toriyama's next chapter to come out so they'd know what to do. Dragonball, and Toriyama's manga don't have filler.

Evolution doesn't do Z. It just does a highly compressed Dragonball, stopping with Goku's defeat of Picolo Sr. (Though Goku is a teenager throughout the movie)
 
It's ultimately the story of a brash and impulsive young boy's journey into adulthood,as he meets friends, has adventures, and learns patience and humility over the course of many years. Along the way, he fights many powerful enemies.

Patience and humility? Son Goku? Son Goku wouldn't know patience and humility if it hit him in the ass, he'd just blast them to bits. Son Goku with patience and humility is no Son Goku at all. This is, after all, the who guy who in his original incarnation demanded Heaven bestowed upon him the title "Great Sage Equal to Heaven."

Then there is a timejump and a retcon involving aliens and everything gets really insane.

And things got even better.

For the movie, they compressed about 51 hours worth of plot into 84 minutes. 51 hours into 84 minutes. They had to dump a a great many characters, and practically all fo the backstory, and plot, and character development, to acomplish this.

Yamucha - oh, my god.

And would it KILL actors and voice actors to listen to the Japanese pronunciation of names and repeating it? Whenever Son Gohaen was spoken I had cringes down my spine; it was even more horrible than the dub's pronunciation. It's like the movie folks downloaded the German DBZ fans parody "American Ball Z" and copied their overly wrong pronounced names.
 
It's ultimately the story of a brash and impulsive young boy's journey into adulthood,as he meets friends, has adventures, and learns patience and humility over the course of many years. Along the way, he fights many powerful enemies.

Patience and humility? Son Goku? Son Goku wouldn't know patience and humility if it hit him in the ass, he'd just blast them to bits. Son Goku with patience and humility is no Son Goku at all. This is, after all, the who guy who in his original incarnation demanded Heaven bestowed upon him the title "Great Sage Equal to Heaven."
Not huch, certainly, but a comparison of Goku as a child and Goku as an adult does show a real difference. Adult Goku, while still impulsive, is less arrogant and more contemplative than he was as a child.
 
I disagree, Dragonball IS filmable, just as long as you don't try to americanize it (like evolution) or have a budget higher than 100yuan (dragon pearl)
 
It's ultimately the story of a brash and impulsive young boy's journey into adulthood,as he meets friends, has adventures, and learns patience and humility over the course of many years. Along the way, he fights many powerful enemies.

Patience and humility? Son Goku? Son Goku wouldn't know patience and humility if it hit him in the ass, he'd just blast them to bits. Son Goku with patience and humility is no Son Goku at all. This is, after all, the who guy who in his original incarnation demanded Heaven bestowed upon him the title "Great Sage Equal to Heaven."
Not huch, certainly, but a comparison of Goku as a child and Goku as an adult does show a real difference. Adult Goku, while still impulsive, is less arrogant and more contemplative than he was as a child.

Uh, no he isn't. Goku as an adult, is exactly the same as Goku as a child. Big grin and enjoys fighting. Goku as an adult, requested of Kurririn to let Vegeta go - risking the entire planet being destroyed by him somewhere in the future - because Goku wanted to fight Vegeta again, because he admired the Prince's strenght, and this time he wanted to defeat Vegeta on his lonesome. This is the same guy that left his wife, his sons, and his grandchild for TEN WHOLE YEARS without ever popping in or making a call (and he's the master of the Instant Transmission remember) to train Uub, because a full-powered Uub would be another strong fighter that gives Goku a challenge, and that would be fun.

The dude's as far from contemplative and non-arrogant as you can get.
 
Hmm does the average American know what Dragonball even is?

I sure don't. :rommie: Something to do with video games and/or anime, right?

The anime seemed to consist of the good guy turning up, crossing his arms and saying "I don't need to fight you" and the bad guy says "HUH!!!?!!1!!" (you can tell the extra "!!!?!!1!!" was in the script too) and then five minutes of the screen slowly panning over the still animation cels.

The video game was supposedly a bit of a hoot on the SNES, with fights taking part several screens apart for a laugh.
 
five minutes of the screen slowly panning over the still animation cels.

This is one of the reasons I'm not into Anime. Nevermind the research I'd need to do to even understand half of it, it's just not animated enough. And the whole laser-beam fight genre is pretty bad, imo.

This movie looks sort of like a Steven Seagal movie based on the trailers. So maybe so-bad-it's good?
 
Also, when has a live-action version of a cartoon ever succeeded? I can't think of anything except maybe Transformers.

IIRC The Flintstones was a commercial success.

I've never been desperate enough to watch it, though.

It was surprisingly pretty good. It wasn't perfect, but it felt like The Flintstones. That's the most important part.

I actually felt that Viva Rock Vegas was a lot closer in tone to the Flinstones type of humor, like the squished quarry instructor, the little-guy gangster being the boss, etc, and especially, John Stephenson as the Minister, him being an H/B + R/B voice giant, including Mr. Slate (for LOTR fans, he was also the animated voice of The Mouth Of Sauron). I also felt the like guy playing Fred caught it just a little better than John Goodman.

There was one moment that was purer DB, when Goku let the jocks beat each other up entirely by evading, even if it wasn't done in clueless fun.

As to Goku leaving his family before GT, it was five years, and he was only supposed to leave for one, I believe, and more, Toriyama seems eternally poised to write what 'actually happened' after the end of Z some day, and has more or less disowned GT, which he had no hand in.

I find it passable, and at least a fun ride, though more could have been done, even with what they had on hand. I often humorously wonder if Japanese viewers admire our ability to 'boil down' their works. I have heard it said that even Toei's production staff liked the music and SFX added for 'Voltron'.

Mebbe someday, this will open the door for DB to get the HP/LOTR treatment. I do love DB, but trying to intro even 20% of that wacky world to a mass audience might well doom it. Let it take a decade or so to seep into the mass culture more.

I always pictured a DB movie with this intro :

( A stern, Asian-sage sounding man speaks ) "In an age of wonders did Monkey King a Journey To The West undertake..."

(He is interrupted by the chuckling Funimation voice dub of Goku ) "Well, that's not quite how it went...The way I heard it told..."

(Cut to a rocket arriving with young Kakarotto; He is found by Jackie Chan in much older makeup; He would also play Roschi, looking slightly younger; He comically fights the monkey-tailed infant until it bumps its head and changes; A raising montage is shown, until the night of a large full moon has them outside; Goku is smiling..until...We only see a shadow and growls, with JC getting a familiar 'Bad Day' look on his face before he is squished) Tragicomically, Goku vows to find the monster that his dying 'Granpa' tries to warn him of.

Or Not. :)
 
five minutes of the screen slowly panning over the still animation cels.
This is one of the reasons I'm not into Anime. Nevermind the research I'd need to do to even understand half of it, it's just not animated enough. And the whole laser-beam fight genre is pretty bad, imo.

This movie looks sort of like a Steven Seagal movie based on the trailers. So maybe so-bad-it's good?

Dude, there hasn't even been a "so bad it's good" Seagal movie released in YEARS.

And no, this is just bad.
 
I'm trying to read Fords post but am distracted by the avatar.
Link to a bigger version please? PM it to me if you could, please?
 
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