Dragonball raped at the box office
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Yep. 4Kids really does suck as a translator of children's anime . Between Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, One-Piece, and Tokyo Mew Mew, they're known for turning merchandise-driven children's shows into utter crap by cutting out all hints of Japanese culture and anything that could be considered even remotly controversial.
Yeah, they have the "magic touch" all right. 
Luckily I haven't ever been interested in any of of their properties. I'm sure, had I actually liked one of their shows, I'd be pretty pissed off at what they do to them. At best I can only loathe them simply by the basic principal of what they do.
Luckily I haven't ever been interested in any of of their properties. I'm sure, had I actually liked one of their shows, I'd be pretty pissed off at what they do to them. At best I can only loathe them simply by the basic principal of what they do.
3D Master
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Uh, no, you didn't mention any dub; you were talking about me talking about a dub company; since I never talked about pokemon's dub or how bad or good it was - I was talking about the Dragon Ball dub being bad - without a specific subject change you weren't talking about Pokemon's dub either, you were talking about Dragon Ball's dub. If you wanted to change the subject to Pokemon's dub, you should have mentioned it.
Nope. It was Funimation all along. Back then they didn't have their own method of distribution so they used Saban for that - but it was still Funimation that did the dub. It was Funimation that hired the Oceon Group to do the voice acting, but it was Funimation that wrote the English scripts the Ocean Group used for their recordings.Anyhow the company you're referring to with the crappy Dragonball Z dub was Saban who contracted out Ocean Group which is responsisible for that "another dimension" travesty, but they only had the first two seasons. Funimation is the second company. They bought seasons 3 and onwards and dubbed them more faithfully, then they went back and bought the first couple season when Saban's license expired and redubed them better as well. So blame Canada for that one, I think that's where they're based.
Gah!
Falconer managed a few gems, but the rest is crap. More importantly though; the American music NEVER QUIT and brought THE COMPLETELY WRONG emotional tone.
When there shouldn't be any music, when there was a silence before the storm moments for example, there was music, and music, and music - not to mention added horribly wrong thoughts. Greatest offence SSJ2 Gohan. In the original; all is quiet as Cell destroys 16, only the wind gently blows by, and then BOOM, tears running down Gohan's face, and Spirit Vs. Spirt - The Day of Destiny plays; perfectly capturing the emotional tone of the entire event.
In the dub the music happily keeps on playing as if nothing is happening (Ocean's Group even worse than Funimation's as it has a happy caverly arriving song playing instead of Falconer's synthesizer crap) completely drowning out the event, Gohan's losing it, his explosion of anger and grief at what he's forced to do - gone, nowhere touched upon; and the absolute horrible thoughts putting in Gohan's head when things should simply be quiet: "I feel it slipping." Slipping!? Did these morons not see the visuals? Did they not see a dove of peace chirping by, only to be SHOT DOWN brutally after which the FIRES OF HELL open up behind Son Gohan; does that sound like slipping to you!?
As for music being completely wrong; look at Son Goku achieving Super Saiyan for the first time. The music plays is all triumphant, look how cool, Super Saiyan! Again; do the morons not check the visuals (or for that matter listen to the original music)? Muten Roshi is worried that this new found incredible power might change Goku as it as a habbit of doing so in other people. Son Gohan, HIS VERY OWN SON, is shaking in terror as he transforms - the music should be a fear-inducing horror theme as the original was.
The only music of Bruce that was actually better, or at least more interesting than the original, was the music playing when Vegeta went Super on screen for the first time, and SSJ3 Goku's theme. And even then, they were horribly overwrought and could have done with a lot more subtlety.
Lots of anime end up with the music replaced take Macross for example when it got Macekred and turned into Robotech they replaced an orchestral score with crappy Casio keyboard music. Other shows I've noted that have had replaced music for the edited dub are Voltron (Golion, Dairugger XV) and Teknoman (Tekkaman Blade).
Although ADV released a more pure form of SDF Macross later without the name changes and with the original songs and a new voice cast for the dub version.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/super-dimensional-fortress-macross/dvd-1
Anyway, the complete replacement of all music doesn't occur very often, usually with older series. If any replacement of music does occur nowadays it's usually because of separate licensing rights for insert songs or opening and ending themes which the company deems too expensive or otherwise not worth it. The most recent case I can think of was how a few vocal songs in Tsubasa Chronicle were replaced with instrumentals of the same song because of some issue with the specific artist or their label.
You responded to a comment about Pokemon's popularity and said this:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/super-dimensional-fortress-macross/dvd-1
Anyway, the complete replacement of all music doesn't occur very often, usually with older series. If any replacement of music does occur nowadays it's usually because of separate licensing rights for insert songs or opening and ending themes which the company deems too expensive or otherwise not worth it. The most recent case I can think of was how a few vocal songs in Tsubasa Chronicle were replaced with instrumentals of the same song because of some issue with the specific artist or their label.
You responded to a comment about Pokemon's popularity and said this:
Which since you weren't really specific implies that you are talking about Pokemon's dub, and your second paragraph talking about Dragonball Z's dub was a subject change thus my comment on Pokemon. Anyhow, why does it really matter now anyway?Nah, well, in America maybe. But America had an exceedingly crappy dub, and well Americans are dumb.
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3D Master
Rear Admiral
Although ADV released a more pure form of SDF Macross later without the name changes and with the original songs and a new voice cast for the dub version.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/super-dimensional-fortress-macross/dvd-1
You responded to a comment about Pokemon's popularity and said this:
Which since you weren't really specific implies that you are talking about Pokemon's dub, and your second paragraph talking about Dragonball Z's dub was a subject change thus my comment on Pokemon. Anyhow, why does it really matter now anyway?Nah, well, in America maybe. But America had an exceedingly crappy dub, and well Americans are dumb.
No, I was responding to a comment about Pokemon's popularity IN COMPARISON TO Dragon Ball's popularity. I then said that Pokemon was more popular because the dub was bad. Obviously, Pokemon cannot be more popular than Dragon Ball because Pokemon's dub was bad; if Pokemon's dub was bad, that would have beeen a reason why Pokemon was LESS popular.
Obviously thus, the dub that I was talking about, is Dragon Ball's dub. Dragon Ball is less popular than Pokemon, because Dragon Ball's dub was bad.
Comprehensive reading. Your skill in it needs to be raised.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
Although ADV released a more pure form of SDF Macross later without the name changes and with the original songs and a new voice cast for the dub version.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/super-dimensional-fortress-macross/dvd-1
You responded to a comment about Pokemon's popularity and said this:
Which since you weren't really specific implies that you are talking about Pokemon's dub, and your second paragraph talking about Dragonball Z's dub was a subject change thus my comment on Pokemon. Anyhow, why does it really matter now anyway?Nah, well, in America maybe. But America had an exceedingly crappy dub, and well Americans are dumb.
No, I was responding to a comment about Pokemon's popularity IN COMPARISON TO Dragon Ball's popularity. I then said that Pokemon was more popular because the dub was bad. Obviously, Pokemon cannot be more popular than Dragon Ball because Pokemon's dub was bad; if Pokemon's dub was bad, that would have beeen a reason why Pokemon was LESS popular.
Obviously thus, the dub that I was talking about, is Dragon Ball's dub. Dragon Ball is less popular than Pokemon, because Dragon Ball's dub was bad.
Comprehensive reading. Your skill in it needs to be raised.
I should give you my sister's number. Once you've had your first hole you'll likely loosen up.
On the subject of Dragonball Kai, it's really nothing to get excited about. I've seen the first couple episodes and essentially it's a rerun of Dragonball Z so if you've seen that you've also seen Dragonball Kai. The opening and ending may look nice and shiny new but the in-show animation is still old with the same sub par 80s Toei Animation, it's not updated and tells the same story as Z. If you want to see Dragonball Z remastered with better sound and forced into widescreen, it's already available here on DVD from Funimation on the current season sets. I couldn't really justify continuing to watch it personally, but give it a shot if you want.
Well, I think the appeal of Kai is going to be the removal of the filler that accumulated in the show. These first few episodes won't be much different because the show was still very tight. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the episodes with Vegeta and Nappa will be much more succinct. Though, maybe not.
The real difference will definitely shine when it comes to the the Frieza fight. I imagine it'll be like night and day.
Well, if it happens that would be cool but is it actually confirmed that they're going to do something like that? I think it would be a really hard task for someone to define and determine what specifically is "filler" and what is not in DBZ since filling time is so ingrained into the series. For instance will they cut the whole Black Water Mist portion out? I didn't mind that arc personally and it expanded upon Gohan and Krelin's characters, but I think that was all filler.
I have to admit though that a "Dragonball Z without the filler" sounds too good to be true, more like some BS rumor invented by some internet fanboy to me.
I have to admit though that a "Dragonball Z without the filler" sounds too good to be true, more like some BS rumor invented by some internet fanboy to me.
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Well, there is this:
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Kai
Seems like that's all the information that's out there right now. Probably most of the stuff not in the manga is going to be toned down or cut completely.
the frieza fight alone could be cut down to about 7 episodes, cut the slow pans, cut the dust clouds that take literaly 5 minutes to clear, that alone will take 1/4th of the episode count
3D Master
Rear Admiral
That information is utter bullshit. From 291 to 100 episodes? You don't remove filler with that a drop, you remove just about everything.
Like someone else said, some filler is really good, some of it so much, it's a wonder it wasn't in the manga. (I'm looking at you, "Son Goku falling into and escape from hell and eating the energy fruit" arc. The eating of the forbidden fruit is essential to Sun Wu-k'ung/Son Goku's character. It's his origin story for f's sake - it's what the The Journey to the West / The Monkey King legend starts out with; hence I always assumed it was part of Toriyama's original manga; color me surprised when I finally got my hands on the manga, it wasn't in there!)
You could probably get rid of some 90 to 91 episodes if you remove all filler and extended scenes, but a 191, nearly 2/3rds is ridiculous.
Like someone else said, some filler is really good, some of it so much, it's a wonder it wasn't in the manga. (I'm looking at you, "Son Goku falling into and escape from hell and eating the energy fruit" arc. The eating of the forbidden fruit is essential to Sun Wu-k'ung/Son Goku's character. It's his origin story for f's sake - it's what the The Journey to the West / The Monkey King legend starts out with; hence I always assumed it was part of Toriyama's original manga; color me surprised when I finally got my hands on the manga, it wasn't in there!)
You could probably get rid of some 90 to 91 episodes if you remove all filler and extended scenes, but a 191, nearly 2/3rds is ridiculous.
The numbers are probably rough estimates meant to convey the general idea and intent, since it seems there hasn't been any official announcements (at least none us English speakers have seen).
Norrin Radd
Vice Admiral
Dragonball has already dropped out of the top 10.
It's at $7.8 million total box office for two weeks.
Ouch.
It's at $7.8 million total box office for two weeks.
Ouch.
its a mega flop
