When is this line spoken in the film? About how many minutes in?
Dr. Gillian Taylor?
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When is this line spoken in the film? About how many minutes in?
Probably during one of the scenes in Starfleet HQ.
No doubt, but I just watched them all, and I didn't hear it (it's not like I heard it the first time either). If it was cut from the film, it's not canonical, as Therin will tell you himself. If it's actually in the film, and audible, I'd like to know where (I mean when).
I haven't watched TVH in a while, but I would have sworn there was a line about weather control systems in there somewhere - I'm not so sure about it anymore, though.
Here's possibly the clearest exchange in the film relating to weather, what comes to my mind first, according to http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie4.html (STARFLEET DISPLAY OFFICER is the "Arkenite"):
That's not what I'm saying and you are well aware of that.
Since you're going to be putting words in my mouth it seems that you don't even need me to carry on this discussion. You can handle both sides of it on your own. I'll leave you to that then. I'm not going to be baited using words that are not mine.
I wonder if anyone has given any thought as to what George and Gracie want. As Spock tells Gillian "They are not the hell your whales." What if they don't want to be monitored even from a distance? Do they have any rights? Spock makes quite clear that they are very intelligent, showing awareness of and liking Gillian. Expressing their disapproval of how their species has been treated. Perhaps Gillian has already done the boat thing and they have essentially told everyone to back off and give them some space. Do whales have a right to privacy? Would it be ethical to covertly monitor them in that case? How would you feel if you found out that your every move, your ever action, your every word was being recorded, analyzed and recorded by the government?
Maybe Gillian's heading off somewhere because the whales don't want anyone around them, at least for a while. They could have sent a message that essentially said "Don't call us, we'll call you". As I said earlier, we have no idea exactly how much time has passed between splashdown and the trial scene.
If Roddenberry's suggestion that the Enterprise A is the Yorktown then perhaps everyone did perish on her (and the Saratoga as well. We did see the lights flickering and going out on her after the probe had already passed) and it took 6 months or more to retrieve her and refit it as the A. That may explain all the problems in TFF. The probe didn't undo whatever it did, unlike the ships and Spacedock at the end. Systems may not just go back to normal once the transmissions from the probe cease.
Maybe Gillian's heading off somewhere because the whales don't want anyone around them, at least for a while. They could have sent a message that essentially said "Don't call us, we'll call you". As I said earlier, we have no idea exactly how much time has passed between splashdown and the trial scene.
If Roddenberry's suggestion that the Enterprise A is the Yorktown then perhaps everyone did perish on her (and the Saratoga as well. We did see the lights flickering and going out on her after the probe had already passed) and it took 6 months or more to retrieve her and refit it as the A. That may explain all the problems in TFF. The probe didn't undo whatever it did, unlike the ships and Spacedock at the end. Systems may not just go back to normal once the transmissions from the probe cease.
I actually won the cue card with this dialogue (along with a second card featuring Majel Barrett's canonical lines) at a charity auction in New Zealand and, at the time, no one had identified this particular card as being from ST IV. It was a stray Googling of the lines, one day, that led me to identifying the Appendix scripts online at:
http://movies.trekcore.com/voyagehome/voyagehome.txt
Scroll to end, or search for "Appendix" A (ships react to Probe), B (President's warning message), C (Kirk's reply) and D (Table Operator's speech).
At least some of the lines are heard canonically, but not all will be audible. The speech may have been cut short. There is even more online. Watch for Michael Berryman's Arkenite. The script note says that his lines overlap with Scene 25, ie.:
COUNCIL PRESIDENT
Status report, Admiral!
MORROW (later changed to CARTWRIGHT, of course)
Mr. President, the Probe has passed through all quadrants. The starships Shepard and Yorktown and three smaller vessels have been neutralized.
COUNCIL PRESIDENT
"Neutralized?" How?
MORROW
We don't know. It's using forms of energy our best scientists do not understand...
COUNCIL PRESIDENT
Can you protect us?
MORROW
We are launching everything we have.
No, I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
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Thanks, Therin, that's pretty cool. I don't doubt that those were the words spoken on stage, but I can't make any of it out, and I don't think it's intended to be audible.
It doesn't really affect the main discussion. Even if there is a functioning weather control network on Earth in the 23rd century (and this would still not be canonical, even if that dialog is accepted as fully canonical; see note below), there is nothing to indicate its capabilities with respect to controlling hurricanes and other storms that could adversely affect sea vessels. Even that sort of information can't be gleaned from TNG: True Q.
(Note: Snippets of dialog don't tell us anything canonical beyond what is true in all manners of interpreting the dialog, despite reasonable or even probable interpretations. Does any of this seem familiar? Despite many plausible ideas, we don't know anything canonical about Cetacean Ops, except that it exists in an alternate timeline in some shape or form, and we don't know whether it was actually mentioned in TNG: The Perfect Mate. We don't know canonically whether the craft mentioned in the subspace radio chatter heard at Epsilon IX are really Franz Joseph scouts. Memory Alpha's article at http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Weather_modification_network does not mention such a network as canonically occurring on Earth before 2369, and I'll argue that two consecutive words in a burst of technobabble that doesn't even constitute a complete sentence, much less anything we can understand, proves nothing conclusive at all.)
Nevertheless, again it's really cool. I am willing to accept that it's plausible for a weather control network, of limited capability, to exist on Earth at this time. Thanks for elaborating.
It doesn't really affect the main discussion. Even if there is a functioning weather control network on Earth in the 23rd century (and this would still not be canonical, even if that dialog is accepted as fully canonical; see note below), there is nothing to indicate its capabilities with respect to controlling hurricanes and other storms that could adversely affect sea vessels. Even that sort of information can't be gleaned from TNG: True Q.
(Note: Snippets of dialog don't tell us anything canonical beyond what is true in all manners of interpreting the dialog, despite reasonable or even probable interpretations. Does any of this seem familiar? Despite many plausible ideas, we don't know anything canonical about Cetacean Ops, except that it exists in an alternate timeline in some shape or form, and we don't know whether it was actually mentioned in TNG: The Perfect Mate. We don't know canonically whether the craft mentioned in the subspace radio chatter heard at Epsilon IX are really Franz Joseph scouts. Memory Alpha's article at http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Weather_modification_network does not mention such a network as canonically occurring on Earth before 2369, and I'll argue that two consecutive words in a burst of technobabble that doesn't even constitute a complete sentence, much less anything we can understand, proves nothing conclusive at all.)
Nevertheless, again it's really cool. I am willing to accept that it's plausible for a weather control network, of limited capability, to exist on Earth at this time. Thanks for elaborating.
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Picard talks to Q about Earth's "weather modification system" in "True Q" a bit while investigating the circumstances surrounding Amanda Rogers' birth. That's really the only time I can recall anything about Earth weather being discussed, or "monitored" per se.
Weather control systems are discussed and fucked around with on Risa in DS9's "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." as well (and yes, I would love to be able to go back to not knowing that little factoid. Ugh.
Weather control systems are discussed and fucked around with on Risa in DS9's "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." as well (and yes, I would love to be able to go back to not knowing that little factoid. Ugh.
It's from the novelization. In between the "you're going to your ship, I'm going to mine" and "catchup learning" lines. Specifically says she's "bound for Mer to recruit divers." Planet Mer is the implication.
Well, that explanation would actually make sense as a reason for putting her on a spaceship, if it's just a short trip before getting down to the work of taking care of G&G. But there's still no actual evidence in the film that it's a spaceship instead of an ocean ship.
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