Re: Douchebag characters considered "Nice Guys" - example 1: Xander Ha The problem seems to me to be essentially this: Beware any character described in positive terms. When a character is perceived (or, worse, conceived) as pleasant, straight-thinking, ethical, heroic, "a nice guy", whatever - insert "positive" trait of your choice here -, it always poses a problem to people with strong individual outlooks and high intelligence. And that's because such people have their own ideas as to how these traits manifest, and how they don't. Which leads to thoughts of "Bulls**t! That isn't how a "nice" person behaves!". The observation wouldn't be an issue were they not apparently supposed to view a character in those terms. It seems that's the problem here - DevilEyes doesn't appear to have a problem as such against the character, but objects to the idea that he embodies what he's "supposed" to. As someone who has ethical and other values differing from most people, I have this basic problem with pretty much any heroic character. Which is why I prefer characters who aren't written to fulfil a role defined in positive terms- because then I'm free to relate to them how I want without it clashing with someone elses' idea of virtue. As for identifiable characters, there are only two TV characters I've ever truly, really identified with. Xander Harris was not one of them .