Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)
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I went back to see if anyone posted this when you were discussing the film loops from the bridge, but didn't see it.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7702984_39-technicolor-silent-820-8mm-loop-projector
They describe the film still in the projector as "COLE #152 – SOLAR ENERGY HOUSE (GENERAL) VERY GOOD."
I don't know if this is one you have already located, but if not, maybe the title will provide some clues.
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7702984_39-technicolor-silent-820-8mm-loop-projector
They describe the film still in the projector as "COLE #152 – SOLAR ENERGY HOUSE (GENERAL) VERY GOOD."
I don't know if this is one you have already located, but if not, maybe the title will provide some clues.
Just for fun, here's what the cargo bay was conceptualized as early on.
Just for fun, here's what the cargo bay was conceptualized as early on.
That'd make a good TOS version of the cargo hold.
Very inefficient use of space though - and without the shuttlebay opening up at the other end, what's the reason?
No reason. Just the first thought that popped in.
I'd say that depends on how full it is. If anything, the boxes in that concept illustration look easier to stack than the curved modules they went with on the filmed set.
The decision to connect the TMP cargo bay directly to the shuttlebay was made fairly late in the design process, as detailed on Andrew Probert's site:
http://www.probertdesigns.com/Folder_DESIGN/CargoBay-1.html
The cargo bay set constructed for the film, based on Mike Minor's original design, had two rows of cargo pods on the aft wall, and Minor's proposed matte extension added a third row above them. Probert went the other way and matted out the second row, putting the shuttle elevators in their place.
Although Probert's design included segmented doors that could be closed to separate the cargo bay from the hangar. The doors were fully open in the TMP matte shot because the ship was lading cargo; presumably they'd be closed the rest of the time, but we never saw it.
To be fair, the TMP cargo was hardly the most efficient use of space even with that opening! Was it really necessary to have that entire top floor as nothing but a catwalk?!
Raising the bottom floor (and the floor above) up a deck would have solved a lot of the spacial inefficiency issues IMO
The lower catwalks on the sides were actually meant to be the edges of a movable floor that would roll out and close over the lower cargo level, forming a second level for storing cargo on. Although it's unclear how they could've rolled up inside the edges of the engineering hull, since the cargo bay is nearly full-width.
More than full width in fact, if you allow for the storage alcoves!
So, if you can allow a bit of spacial cheating to allow for that, a bit more space in between them and the hull for the segmented floor to slide up shouldn't be a major hurdle.
Yeah, @Maurice asked Andy Probert recently how he planned envisioned the rollaway deck actually working, and indeed he imagined it being segmented in fashion (like a rolltop desk), being pulled along the track by the large, bulky structures we see in the matte painting.More than full width in fact, if you allow for the storage alcoves!
And @Mytran is correct. There's not enough clearance even for the port and starboard cargo pods on the lower level to remain inside the hull, and in the matte painting there's even a corridor access on the lower level that can't realisitcally fit inside the hull either. Oh well, they did the best they could and didn't have the luxury of whipping up models in 3D to make sure it would all fit correctly, and honestly Probert probably spent less time on that painting than I have on this 3D model so far
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So that's one more interior space that wouldn't fit inside the ship, along with the recreation deck (which doesn't account for the saucer undercut) and the forward corridor outside the engine room (where everything shown in the forced-perspective mural would be out in front of the main deflector dish).
True, but it does all look very cinematic!
Incidentally, the windows of the Rec Deck do match the proportions and spacing of the ones on the model, even if the ones on the set are much larger than those of a 1,000' long Enterprise. This means we can calculate the "true" size of a starship that would accommodate the Rec Deck as seen on screen...and it's about 1,800' long.
Too big?
Maybe.
But it would allow plenty of room for all the cargo bays and engineering corridors you like!
But damn those would be some nearly 13 foot diameter docking ports! (I’ve read that Gene originally wanted the docking ports to be 12 feet in diameter...something I’m glad didn’t happen)True, but it does all look very cinematic!
Incidentally, the windows of the Rec Deck do match the proportions and spacing of the ones on the model, even if the ones on the set are much larger than those of a 1,000' long Enterprise. This means we can calculate the "true" size of a starship that would accommodate the Rec Deck as seen on screen...and it's about 1,800' long.
Too big?
Maybe.
But it would allow plenty of room for all the cargo bays and engineering corridors you like!
I think the workbees could just fly straight in using ports that big!
So Richard Taylor says.
That depends on the episode - in Scorpion they seemed huge, easily 2 decks tall!
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x01/scorpion2241.jpg
Then the door shrank for Prey in relation to the 8472 character:
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x16/prey_171.jpg
For reference, a crounching 8472 is about the height of a man:
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x16/prey_524.jpg
This is why I don't worry about the "canon violation" regarding the Enterprise's size in Discovery or the Kelvin's size in the movies. Ship sizes have never been consistently depicted. Heck, this goes right back to the beginning -- in "The Corbomite Maneuver," the cube buoy was said to be 107 meters wide but was shown as no more than twice the thickness of the Enterprise's saucer rim, which would've made the Enterprise more than 2 kilometers long -- yet the ship was dwarfed by the "mile-wide" Fesarius.
