Looks like some sort of rotating/spinning device inside the dome? Never noticed that before. Any speculation? Radar-like dish?
Donny's Refit Enterprise Interiors (Version 2.0)
- Thread starter Donny
- Start date
We never saw that part of the set - don’t know if it was ever built in reality. I think Andy Probert is a user here. Might be worth dropping him a line to see what his thoughts were there. They had a number of spinning gunner chairs on the set. If I were to guess, I would say it’s probably an elaborate sensor system that relays targeting information to the gunners.
I should note that there is a grated floor there in the film, I just haven't gotten around to modeling it yet. That shot is just a early WIP. If you were aware of this, please forgive my correction.
But yes, I agree. Even with the grated floor it still appears very unsafe. But canon's canon!
Was it just as "unsafe" like this in the later movies like TWOK, TSFS, and TUC? Now I gotta go look
The grated floors remained until the set was redressed for TNG. You can see Gene walking carefully on the grates in the Cage Introduction from the 80s. However they did add a solid floor on the right side of the room in TWOK when they opened that wall up into the side hallway. This solid floor section remained through TNG and can also be spied in the Cage Intro. I’ll post all the screen evidence shortly.Was it just as "unsafe" like this in the later movies like TWOK, TSFS, and TUC? Now I gotta go look
Are you referring to the upper level, or the dome above it? Even though we don't see the upper level on the Amar, It's clear that at least part of the structure was built, because people are standing on it during Spock's funeral:
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok-dc-hd/chapter20/st2-twok-dc-2830.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twok-dc-hd/chapter20/st2-twok-dc-2867.jpg
I'm guessing the forward area (if it was built) might have been removed to facilitate the crane shot.
Yes, I was referring to the upper dome and the rotating mechanism that appears to be housed up there.
Okay, quick history lesson on the transporter room set:
Originally appearing in TMP with a grated walkway over a greelby floor. These greeble tiles were 9 feet by 4.5 feet and were used throughout the early movies and early TNG as well. The entire set was painted a faux metallic grey, which was given a colorful look thanks to some TOS-style lighting:
A glass-enclosed control booth faces the transporter pad. While on the pad facing the booth, the wall to the left has a small doorway. This doorway is accessed via the grated floor below. We can presume this doorway leads to a storage room or access hallway of some kind. While facing the booth, the doorway out into the corridor is to right of the control booth opposite its entryway:
However, in TWOK, the smaller doorway does not seem to exist anymore and the wall adjacent to it is opened up to the small "service hallway" we see running behind the sickbay set and which later became a much more visible part of the TNG transporter set.
In TNG, we see that a solid floor (a step up) is placed along this wall. As evidenced by Gene's "The Cage" Intro, we see that this floor existed before TNG and was likely created when they opened up that wall for TWOK:
In this shot, you can see that some of those upper transporter pad covers are missing, revealing the fresnel lenses that remained as part of the set through Voyager.
The opposite wall was changed slightly after TMP in a couple of ways. Here it is in TMP, in a monochrome paint scheme, colored by purplish lighting:
In TWOK, you see that the purplish lighting is no more and that the walls are a bluish grey. Some of the greebles were painted with a darker trim color, labels were added to some of the panels, and Nick Meyer's giant wall of blinking lights was rolled into frame:
In TSFS, this wall appears again, without the labels and the giant blinkiie wall, but the purplish lighting returns and the darker trim color remains:
Originally appearing in TMP with a grated walkway over a greelby floor. These greeble tiles were 9 feet by 4.5 feet and were used throughout the early movies and early TNG as well. The entire set was painted a faux metallic grey, which was given a colorful look thanks to some TOS-style lighting:
A glass-enclosed control booth faces the transporter pad. While on the pad facing the booth, the wall to the left has a small doorway. This doorway is accessed via the grated floor below. We can presume this doorway leads to a storage room or access hallway of some kind. While facing the booth, the doorway out into the corridor is to right of the control booth opposite its entryway:
However, in TWOK, the smaller doorway does not seem to exist anymore and the wall adjacent to it is opened up to the small "service hallway" we see running behind the sickbay set and which later became a much more visible part of the TNG transporter set.
In TNG, we see that a solid floor (a step up) is placed along this wall. As evidenced by Gene's "The Cage" Intro, we see that this floor existed before TNG and was likely created when they opened up that wall for TWOK:
In this shot, you can see that some of those upper transporter pad covers are missing, revealing the fresnel lenses that remained as part of the set through Voyager.
The opposite wall was changed slightly after TMP in a couple of ways. Here it is in TMP, in a monochrome paint scheme, colored by purplish lighting:
In TWOK, you see that the purplish lighting is no more and that the walls are a bluish grey. Some of the greebles were painted with a darker trim color, labels were added to some of the panels, and Nick Meyer's giant wall of blinking lights was rolled into frame:
In TSFS, this wall appears again, without the labels and the giant blinkiie wall, but the purplish lighting returns and the darker trim color remains:
Last edited:
I know, right? Not only do we get to look at all the great art, but also learn a ton of behind the scenes stuff along the way.
The floor to the transporter room had always blown my mind. I don't understand the thought process of the set designers. It's not particularly noticeable on screen, it limits the movements of the actors, crew and cameras, and is a trip hazard. Who approved this?
In universe it can be justified in TMP as not quite done being reassembled before launch, but I don't have a justification for TWOK.
In universe it can be justified in TMP as not quite done being reassembled before launch, but I don't have a justification for TWOK.
Isn't there supposed to be a grating that covers all the floor ducting?
Only partially, easy to back right off of if you aren't paying attention.
All? The only floor grating we ever have evidence of is what is seen in the film:
If there are more pieces that cover up the other bits, we never see them, and the shot of the set in the Cage Intro shows that they never bothered to add it if that was intended:
According to MSGTTE, the exposed machinery is supposed to facilitate easy repairs and maintenance of the transporter components. Not canon, but it's a fair explanation.
The difficulty of filming this set is probably why we saw so little of the transporter room in either TWOK or TSFS, and probably why they opened up that wall for the characters to exit out of instead of the main entryway in TWOK. If the camera would of had to follow them out the proper route, it would've been cumbersome and affect the pacing Meyer was going for. BTW, I love that scene. Having the characters remove their field jackets and converse while putting on their duty jackets is gold to me. We hardly ever see Starfleet crew changing uniforms on camera. And the fact that the crew were there, ready to give the officers their jackets just made if feel so proper and military.
Last edited:
All? The only floor grating we ever have evidence of is what is seen in the film:
If there are more pieces that cover up the other bits, we never see them, and the shot of the set in the Cage Intro shows that they never bothered to add it that was intended:
According to MSGTTE, the exposed machinery is supposed to facilitate easy repairs and maintenance of the transporter components. Not canon, but it's a fair explanation.
The difficulty of filming this set is probably why we saw so little of the transporter room in either TWOK or TSFS, and probably why they opened up that wall for the characters to exit out of instead of the main entryway in TWOK. If the camera would of had to follow them out the proper route, it would've been cumbersome and affect the pacing Meyer was going for. BTW, I love that scene. Having the characters remove their field jackets and converse while putting on their duty jackets is gold to me. We hardly ever see Starfleet crew changing uniforms on camera. And the fact that the crew were there, ready to give the officers their jackets just made if feel so proper and military.
Going by MSGTTE that side room connects to the supply room which connects to a lounge which also connects to the corridor.
Granted that's nowhere close to the actual set that was built, but still
I'd love to add that little lounge, but in reality there just isn't room behind the control booth before hitting the concentric corridor walls behind it (there's even less room back there than MSGTTE shows) and I don't want to move the transporter room up in the corridor at all since we clearly see its location in relation to those concentric corridors in TMP.Going by MSGTTE that side room connects to the supply room which connects to a lounge which also connects to the corridor.
Last edited:
They also moved the back wall and the entry doors for TNG and had to deal with that when showing it in the later TOS films.
Was that flooring used as Borg wall panals. Today the go-to material winds up being plastic pallets:
https://www.cnplasticpallet.com/pla...e-plastic-pallet/1200x800x125mm-6-runner.html
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/36/58/003658429805d83afdf20c8138c75ea8.jpg
I think I saw similar ones used in an Orville court seen with the Moclans.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/73394668901746837
You can make Borg ships out of those
https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/...MIos2yx5P74QIVD56fCh0bGwE9EAkYDCABEgJvr_D_BwE
These cones would be good for a space station spire:
https://www.seton.com/looper-cones-...VjuDICh1DRwE4EAkYBSABEgIxlPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Shuttlecraft
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...Vq7SzCh2dRgGqEAQYBSABEgJNNfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
https://www.cnplasticpallet.com/pla...e-plastic-pallet/1200x800x125mm-6-runner.html
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/36/58/003658429805d83afdf20c8138c75ea8.jpg
I think I saw similar ones used in an Orville court seen with the Moclans.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/73394668901746837
You can make Borg ships out of those
https://www.globalindustrial.com/p/...MIos2yx5P74QIVD56fCh0bGwE9EAkYDCABEgJvr_D_BwE
These cones would be good for a space station spire:
https://www.seton.com/looper-cones-...VjuDICh1DRwE4EAkYBSABEgIxlPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Shuttlecraft
https://www.dickssportinggoods.com/...Vq7SzCh2dRgGqEAQYBSABEgJNNfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
I think I will need to respectfully disagree with this one statement you made (with everything else you said in that post being correct). In this original set blueprint of the TMP Stage 9 layout, the doorway out into the corridor is to the left of the control booth (if you're in the booth facing the transporter chamber), just as it is in all future incarnations (they just moved it forward on the TNG wall and made it bigger). The small door to the right of the booth led down that same service corridor that goes behind McCoy's office and sickbay.
Yeah, if you're in the booth the door to the corridor is on the left and the service corridor is on the right, but Donny said
