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Donny’s Late TOS Movie Era Interiors

I don't know if you'd call what I do "camera matching" :D Definitely not to the extent that I've seen you employ.

Spent last night crafting the crew chairs. Special thanks to @Rekkert who sourced the patent, commercial brochure, and dimensions for the chair not too long ago, and for providing me with orthos of his chair model to give me a good starting point. AND for putting up with me constantly sending him screencaps of my WIP model for his feedback and approval ;)

That's cool. The techniques you're using to get your bridge close to the on-set pieces is coming along nicely!

And oh wow that is a beautifully made chair! :eek::techman:
 
Amazing job as usual Donny!

I have to say, this was my least favorite bridge, but seeing these renders make me really like it. I realize now actually a pretty good design. I think a problem was how it was lit in the movie, coupled with the number of "unused" screens. In the film, the displays had a sort of washed out look, with the colors looking more like a faded turquoise and light green, instead of the more saturated blues and greens of TUC. I think it actually works for the narrative of the ship not quite working right. But with the light colored carpeting this set is much brighter than the previous bridges, so they may not have been able to dial in the lighting to read the screens well. This issue is especially present once they hit the great barrier. It looks better in some parts than others like when they were en-route to Nimbus III. But many of the scenes just look like they are lit from the front (viewscreen side) without much fill lighting. You can see actors casting shadows on the walls in many of the scenes.

The other issue was the that many of the displays appeared "off" or empty. Not sure whether this was due to a lack of available artwork, or a conscious choice, or if they actually were on but completely washed out by the light. I could see a lack of artwork being an issue - this set had so many more "screens" then the previous set, so even if they could reuse artwork that Okuda made for TVH it wasn't enough to fill the whole set. This was an issue to differing extents for all the previous films. Ironically, many of Okuda's designs were images that would work with now abandoned circular/oval displays of the older bridge set.

Probably the biggest issue is that many of the displays are actually monochrome in either a sickly clinical light green-teal or just black and white. Even though they are kept mostly in the background for brief shots, its enough to register. When other displays are so washed out, seeing a bank of solid monochrome displays stood out. This probably is was most led me to remember the displays in TFF being "colourless." This appears to have been solved by TUC. To be fair, this was an issue with the previous movies - probably the biggest offender were those TSFS computer graphics with huge pixels. And of course, TOS with screens filled with just a couple colored lights. But when entire wall is a bank of screens like a 90's newsroom, then the look is going to be defined more by what is or isn't on those screens. My gut is that the art department and cinematographers just were not prepared for what challenges this new set brought - relying on the previous films to inform their scheduling. TFF came out in 89, so I think most of the displays would still have to be done in camera. Which means that save for a handful of insert shots, artwork had to be completed in advance of filming the bridge scenes.

Much of these issues were addressed in TUC, however at the expense of completely changing the aesthetic. I would have like to see how this bridge could have looked - if they had more time to prepare and figure out how to light the set.
I'm glad you brought up the monochrome displays. That's something that always bugged me, because it's just so random. Elsewhere in the film, they use a palette that's consistent with the Okudagrams seen at the end of TVH and throughout TUC — the display to Scotty's right in this screencap is a static display with gels and backlighting — but when they reach the God Planet, they suddenly switch to the monochrome green that you pointed out. But by the time the Klingons attack, they switch back* to the regular colors. I'd love to know why they did that.

*mostly; it looks like there's a display in the bottom left corner that maybe didn't get switched back
 
I'm glad you brought up the monochrome displays. That's something that always bugged me, because it's just so random. Elsewhere in the film, they use a palette that's consistent with the Okudagrams seen at the end of TVH and throughout TUC — the display to Scotty's right in this screencap is a static display with gels and backlighting — but when they reach the God Planet, they suddenly switch to the monochrome green that you pointed out. But by the time the Klingons attack, they switch back* to the regular colors. I'd love to know why they did that.

*mostly; it looks like there's a display in the bottom left corner that maybe didn't get switched back
I was listening to the commentary by Okuda and others last night, and he explains that it was a choice to wash out all the color from the displays to show that the proximity to Sha’Ka’Ree was messing with things.
 
I'm glad you brought up the monochrome displays. That's something that always bugged me, because it's just so random. Elsewhere in the film, they use a palette that's consistent with the Okudagrams seen at the end of TVH and throughout TUC — the display to Scotty's right in this screencap is a static display with gels and backlighting — but when they reach the God Planet, they suddenly switch to the monochrome green that you pointed out. But by the time the Klingons attack, they switch back* to the regular colors. I'd love to know why they did that.

*mostly; it looks like there's a display in the bottom left corner that maybe didn't get switched back

My goodness they used more of the monochrome than I thought. Shooting schedule perhaps? Shots like these and this push in shot had to be filmed with members of the supporting cast. Others could have been inserts completed later when they had more artwork available. I'm curious why they picked that particular color in the first place - it really seems to scream monochrome. I feel like if they could have matched one of the blues or greens better it might have hid the effect. Maybe the xerography process to print up those gels was too time intensive for color? They seemed to manage it okay on TNG. Maybe it was intended to be a more saturated color that for whatever reason was picked up as a more subdued hue. Or maybe they were forced to use some monochrome CRTs for whatever reason and printed the gels in the same color so it wouldn't stand out? I can't imagine that someone sat there and said "I want all the screens to have a sick green color." It just seems it had to be some kind of compromised they were pushed into because of limitations of timing, money.

Even when they got the "correct" color gels in, it still lacked the color and dynamics of the ones in the end of TVH. In TVH there were pinks and purples in there with the green and blue. You can't tell from the photo, but if you watch the sequence there actually was some "movement" -- like they rigged the lights on small regions of the display to turn on and off giving an illusion that the readout was changing. For 5 seconds of footage, it worked!

*edit* after reviewing screencaps, I notice that wonkiness with the screens really kick during the scenes where David Warner, Cynthia Gouw and Charles Cooper (St. John Talbot, Caithlin Dar and General Korrd) are on the bridge. First they are basically turned off until after they are through the barrier - then they come on with monochrome, and aside from a few inserts, stay that way until Makes me think this was indeed due to scheduling - they may have had to move those scenes up earlier in the schedule to work around their availability. Since they did most of the location work first, those might have been the first scenes filmed on that set. The only exception I see is after the initial attack we see colored screens behind Korrd in the "Damn you sir, you will try" scene. Aside from the top of Dar's head, I don't think we see Talbot. And they might have been able to use a stand-in for Dar as we just see her hair. So it could have been shot later on with just Charles Cooper without the other two.


** Edit to my edit - Missed Donny's post which answered the question.
 
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The bridge in TFF is my favorite.

And does anyone have plans for the observation deck from TFF. Or the TSFS Excelsior bridge?
 
My goodness they used more of the monochrome than I thought. Shooting schedule perhaps? Shots like these and this push in shot had to be filmed with members of the supporting cast. Others could have been inserts completed later when they had more artwork available. I'm curious why they picked that particular color in the first place - it really seems to scream monochrome. I feel like if they could have matched one of the blues or greens better it might have hid the effect. Maybe the xerography process to print up those gels was too time intensive for color? They seemed to manage it okay on TNG. Maybe it was intended to be a more saturated color that for whatever reason was picked up as a more subdued hue. Or maybe they were forced to use some monochrome CRTs for whatever reason and printed the gels in the same color so it wouldn't stand out? I can't imagine that someone sat there and said "I want all the screens to have a sick green color." It just seems it had to be some kind of compromised they were pushed into because of limitations of timing, money.

Even when they got the "correct" color gels in, it still lacked the color and dynamics of the ones in the end of TVH. In TVH there were pinks and purples in there with the green and blue. You can't tell from the photo, but if you watch the sequence there actually was some "movement" -- like they rigged the lights on small regions of the display to turn on and off giving an illusion that the readout was changing. For 5 seconds of footage, it worked!

*edit* after reviewing screencaps, I notice that wonkiness with the screens really kick during the scenes where David Warner, Cynthia Gouw and Charles Cooper (St. John Talbot, Caithlin Dar and General Korrd) are on the bridge. First they are basically turned off until after they are through the barrier - then they come on with monochrome, and aside from a few inserts, stay that way until Makes me think this was indeed due to scheduling - they may have had to move those scenes up earlier in the schedule to work around their availability. Since they did most of the location work first, those might have been the first scenes filmed on that set. The only exception I see is after the initial attack we see colored screens behind Korrd in the "Damn you sir, you will try" scene. Aside from the top of Dar's head, I don't think we see Talbot. And they might have been able to use a stand-in for Dar as we just see her hair. So it could have been shot later on with just Charles Cooper without the other two.
Take a look at Donny's reply above; the monochrome was a conscious stylistic choice. And if Mike Okuda wanted it to tie in to some sort of interference from "God"/the planet, then it really does work out — the screens go monochrome once they reach the planet, and go back to normal after they've destroyed the "temple."
 
The TFF / TUC bridges are more of a nod to the TOS Enterprise bridge in the way the looked, such as with those rectangular monitors and not to mention the way okudagrams are arranged on the parameter stations are very similar to the way the buttons were arranged on the parameter stations on the TOS bridge.
 
The chairs in engine

Those look great! Photo realistic. Like you could take a seat on the bridge right now.

Oh, by the way, @Donny, something I noticed the last time I watched the film. There seems to be a plastic holder between each station, like the old black Data Tape holders on the TOS bridge consoles.

See:

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Although it's completely missable if you blink! I just happen to catch it on my umptenth viewing!
 
Those look great! Photo realistic. Like you could take a seat on the bridge right now.

Oh, by the way, @Donny, something I noticed the last time I watched the film. There seems to be a plastic holder between each station, like the old black Data Tape holders on the TOS bridge consoles.

See:

ijkUezJ.jpg


Although it's completely missable if you blink! I just happen to catch it on my umptenth viewing!
Yup! I haven’t gotten to those yet but plan on it. They hold data chips, similar to TNG isolinear chips. More or less the same design Kirk was pulling out of the deflector relay in Generations.
 
I was listening to the commentary by Okuda and others last night, and he explains that it was a choice to wash out all the color from the displays to show that the proximity to Sha’Ka’Ree was messing with things.

Very interesting! Good to finally know the reason behind it. Unfortunately since it was established from the beginning that things on the Enterprise weren't working right, this change doesn't register much with the viewers. Not a criticism of Okuda's work - it was a pretty cool idea and he likely had to begin work before a final script was available. Shatner originally wanted a more serious tone so I can see that Okuda's work was conceived for a very different film than the one we got.
 
Special thanks to @Rekkert who sourced the patent, commercial brochure, and dimensions for the chair not too long ago, and for providing me with orthos of his chair model to give me a good starting point. AND for putting up with me constantly sending him screencaps of my WIP model for his feedback and approval ;)
Setting aside the results of your work for a second (which are fantastic, as usual) I just want to say how awesome it is that behind the scene two of the world's absolute best creators of virtual Trek sets are working together to make their work even better. Truly, I think you and @Rekkert are a match made in heaven! :angel:
 
Setting aside the results of your work for a second (which are fantastic, as usual) I just want to say how awesome it is that behind the scene two of the world's absolute best creators of virtual Trek sets are working together to make their work even better. Truly, I think you and @Rekkert are a match made in heaven! :angel:
I’m glad someone took note of this. Yes, @Rekkert and I have been communicating fairly regularly for the past several months, often in real-time as we work on projects, sharing reference, ideas, feedback, criticism and praise. He’s become a very valued colleague of mine over the years and I love how much our “working relationship” has evolved. Cheers, @Rekkert!
 
I've been intimidated by the TFF/TUC command chair for years but finally took a crack at it over the last two nights. Here it is before I give it textures:
Was that an original chair made for TFF? I couldn't find it on either of the lists of chairs over at EAS.
 
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