Donny’s Late TOS Movie Era Interiors
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LOL. FWIW, from the time Kirk tells Scotty that they need warp drive in "three minutes or they're all dead" the approx time they come back online is just a little over three minutes forty seconds. If you trim out any camera cuts showing the Reliant's interior (Khan on bridge, genesis device in transporter room), you can get it down to around three minutes overall.
IMHO, all those camera cuts makes stopwatch timing of the 3 minutes impossible because you're never sure at what point in the timeline you are when the camera switches to something else and you have to rely on the dialogue for reference points.
IMHO, all those camera cuts makes stopwatch timing of the 3 minutes impossible because you're never sure at what point in the timeline you are when the camera switches to something else and you have to rely on the dialogue for reference points.
It could have been days between
Well you just have to frame the shot to keep the clocks out of it. Why do you think they are so high up.
Because there wasn't any where else to put them.
No. I don't think custom built corridors would have made the film better because the cards were all on the table for that predictable murder mystery, but I get Meyer was inspired by The Hunt for Red October, a great movie BTW, and maybe if Nimoy had an extended time period for the project he would've directed VI himself and sets which were thought out. I thought there were bulkheads and pipes added in TFF as well, but I still thought the Enterprise interiors looked better besides the film being terrible. I'm interested in seeing what improvements Donny can do with this Red Oktober-esque Enterprise. As for the digital clocks sticking out like a sore thumb, I mentioned on another thread an improvement would've been less distracting if the time was on the Main viewer and other small screens on the bridge but nothing too distracting.
It was a cheap film and it looked like it besides the SFX, but it was a good movie. As of Trek's history of production designs I thought Star Trek VI was the worst IMO. Nicholas Meyer admits his films look the worst than other Trek films in his book, and I agree with him.
The bigger picture...the money saved reusing tng sets went into the new Klingon ship sets, Klingon court room, and a ice prison. I’m sure the money that was saved went into effects (so you don’t get crappy effects like in ST5) and location shooting...you make compromises when you make a movie..I would love to have seen new sets too.. people seem to make Nick Myer into a trek god...I love ST2 and 6...I would also give credit to Harve Bennett (ST2-6) Herman Zimmerman. I would also suggest for people to watch the dvd extra and read the ST6 making of book. “Charting the Undiscovered Country: The Making of Trek VI”
A Herman Zimmerman book, has this been done yet? I would love to see his work in a collect form.
If he said that, he was wrong and possibly confused.
His films also had to deal with immense time/money pressures, with barely more than earlier films' hand-me-downs to work with. But then again, he had ILM in his corner and nobody complained about the fx shots with them.
"Camera cuts" are cuts made in-camera by stopping and restarting it. What you are referring to are just plains "cuts" made in editing.
And now you know.
"Camera cuts" are cuts made in-camera by stopping and restarting it. What you are referring to are just plains "cuts" made in editing.
And now you know.
And knowing is half the battle
Corrected below LOL. FWIW, from the time Kirk tells Scotty that they need warp drive in "three minutes or they're all dead" the approx time they come back online is just a little over three minutes forty seconds. If you trim out any shots showing the Reliant's interior (Khan on bridge, genesis device in transporter room), you can get it down to around three minutes overall.
IMHO, all those cuts makes stopwatch timing of the 3 minutes impossible because you're never sure at what point in the timeline you are when the camera switches to something else so you have to rely on the dialogue for reference points.
That 999 countdown timer is probably what David meant by "encoding" three minutes. 
Sorry @Donny, a small tangent here...
Unfortunately that countdown timer would finish at 8 minutes 20 seconds because it counts 1 second every 2 ticks. It probably "sped up" as it got closer to the 4 minute mark
So I watched the sequence again and I was off by a minute. The time to explode from the start of the countdown is actually 4 minutes as stated by David Marcus. Kirk orders Scotty to get the warp engines back online in 3 minutes. The entire sequence as shown in the movie is around 4 minutes 20 seconds from start of countdown to explosion. It encompasses multiple viewpoints that I think in total pushed it past 4 minutes. Meyer does give us two points in time, one at "2 minutes 10 seconds" from the start and another "3 minutes 30 seconds" from the start. So I did a quick edit to see what that would look like if the shots with time references were moved to their proper points. Maybe this video edit might help those of us that are trying to visualize the timing. Cheers. (Edited video starts at 1:20)
Drat!Unfortunately that countdown timer would finish at 8 minutes 20 seconds because it counts 1 second every 2 ticks. It probably "sped up" as it got closer to the 4 minute mark
Maybe we are seeing the timer in slow motion, for dramatic effect?
That's fantastic, thank you!
It also reminded me of just how slowly the Enterprise limps away from the doomed Reliant
Enterprise started to turn around the 3 minute mark
At around the 30 second mark (2½ minutes of travel) they have gone 4,000 kilometres according to Chekov...who relays this information sitting at the weapons console. Did he steal Sulu's line?
Anyway, that's 96,000 km/h or 0.009% of lightspeed. At full impulse power. Those main engines really do the lion's share of propulsion work!
The math is more complicated because they are constantly accelerating. So they start out at zero, and are surely going faster than 96,000, depending on the acceleration curve, but it averages out to 96,000 KM/h. I assume with the Warp drive down the impulse engines are pushing the full mass of the ship because they can't reduce the effective mass of the ship with a sublight warp bubble, like they would normally.
Very true. Using this handy dandy calculator then a constant acceleration of 18G would achieve the desired average speed.
This is precisely how I see the nacelles playing the main role in sublight manoevres, at least in the 23rd century. No fancy Impulse Coil Mass Reducers here!
Talk about a tangent!
I know I've been a little quiet lately, so I'll fill you guys in on what's been going on.
A) We just released our first Discovery-era release on Star Trek: Online, so I've been very busy at work wrapping all that up.
B) As of yesterday, I have transferred fully to the the ship team for ST:O, so I'll be making exterior ship models exclusively instead of environments.
C) I recently got into Game of Thrones (finally) and that has quite consumed me. I've watched the entire series and am now reading the books. A new obsession other than Trek!
So, yeah. I've been busy, and have had to pause development of my personal projects just to stay sane for a minute with all the changes coming at work with the new position, on top of frantically pushing a release out the door. Can't wait to get back to work on the Ent-A bridge, just waiting until everything settles down a bit and I get in the swing of my new job.
Also, I should take a moment and say that, in light of Stage 9 being shut down, I am proceeding with extreme caution when talking about my projects from now on. These are my personal fan art projects, nothing more, and there will be no plans for a public release. Unfortunately pretty screenshots and videos are all that I plan on releasing from here on out
I know this may disappoint some who were looking forward to an eventual release (although I've always been vague about eventually releasing anyway), but it would seem CBS has made it clear that they wouldn't allow it, and as someone who works on an official licensed product of CBS, I must respect their decisions.
I know I've been a little quiet lately, so I'll fill you guys in on what's been going on.
A) We just released our first Discovery-era release on Star Trek: Online, so I've been very busy at work wrapping all that up.
B) As of yesterday, I have transferred fully to the the ship team for ST:O, so I'll be making exterior ship models exclusively instead of environments.
C) I recently got into Game of Thrones (finally) and that has quite consumed me. I've watched the entire series and am now reading the books. A new obsession other than Trek!
So, yeah. I've been busy, and have had to pause development of my personal projects just to stay sane for a minute with all the changes coming at work with the new position, on top of frantically pushing a release out the door. Can't wait to get back to work on the Ent-A bridge, just waiting until everything settles down a bit and I get in the swing of my new job.
Also, I should take a moment and say that, in light of Stage 9 being shut down, I am proceeding with extreme caution when talking about my projects from now on. These are my personal fan art projects, nothing more, and there will be no plans for a public release. Unfortunately pretty screenshots and videos are all that I plan on releasing from here on out
I know this may disappoint some who were looking forward to an eventual release (although I've always been vague about eventually releasing anyway), but it would seem CBS has made it clear that they wouldn't allow it, and as someone who works on an official licensed product of CBS, I must respect their decisions.
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Given that the principle reason why CBS clamped down on Stage 9 was likely due to their agreement with their VR software licensee, I think your decision is wise!
But still sad
BTW, welcome to Game Of Thrones! You picked an excellent time to jump on our bandwagon
But still sad
BTW, welcome to Game Of Thrones! You picked an excellent time to jump on our bandwagon
