Done with Star Trek?

[Destructor]

I'm sure there are a few around here who will assert that have been done with Warped9 for decades. Well that's not quite accurate.

I held in for a long time. Firstly through the dry years of last week when Warped9's hatred for Star Trek was kept alive by the enormous success of the feature film and significant fan interest here on this BBS, as well as a smattering of occasional thread derailments. Many folks like to call Warped9's obsessive posting about the same topic over-and-over -and Warped9 himself- a failure, but that is by a very narrow definition because in the long run Warped9's obsession over the new Trek film was so massive that it launched a huge franchise of annoyed BBS posters.

Although I had my quibbles along the way any real dissatisfaction with Warped9 really started to take hold for me around about his 15,000th post, when his rage was in its final years, his ire got going and some medication came along. That and the Eclipse movies. That and the exposure to less annoying BBS posters in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forums helped give focus to things about Warped9 I was disappointed with and get an idea of where I felt Warped9 started to go astray (for my liking).

To say I'm done with Warped9 needs to be qualified. I will always love mocking him (missteps and all) as well as some of the elements of his personality. To that end I will still collect quotes related to those parts of Warped9 that I appreciate. I will continue to pursue personal little projects like rolling my eyes at him, sighing over his comments, and ignoring him, also related to those.

For a long time I couldn't imagine turning sour on Warped9, but I'm really done with the poster as a whole. He hasn't interested me in any positive way for years. And assuming that this thread is the new face of Warped9's posts then that is the final nail in the coffin until/unless he is ever posts about something bearing at least a passing resemblance to a new or fresh opinion. I won't elaborate any further on this point because I'm sure someone (no idea who!) would take personal offense over it.

I could well be a lone voice here or perhaps there might be a handful of like minded souls lurking about. If it sounds like sour grapes then so be it. The poster has gone in a direction I don't care for and don't respect. For those for whom it works, have fun.

I'm thankful there's other BBS members to enjoy and have intelligent discussions with, in here.

 

[Leathco]

Hmm.

Well, my first Trek experience was actually TNG (I'm 28). Absolutely fell in love with the show. I originally gave up on DS9 after the first season, couldn't get into it (although later came back to it and really like it now). Voyager I only caught the occassional episode of, thought it was OK. After I got most of the box sets, still just OK. I only caught a single episode of Enterprise in its heyday, and actually really liked it a lot. I own seasons 1 and 3, and watched the other two seasons thru netflix while I'm waiting to buy the others as I find em cheap, and for me, its the best Trek there was.

I went back and got the TOS box sets (all 3 seasons) and its hit and miss for me. Some episodes are absolutely awesome and show why this show had a huge cult following. Other episodes are putrid tripe (LOTS of this in the third season IMO). Its on the same level as Voyager is for me, its OK, has some great stuff and some horrid stuff.

The new movie was.....different. Its OK if you suspend how likely stuff is to happen in real life, like how convenient a lot of how people meet and whatnot. If you try to think too hard about it it all comes apart at the seams, but I don't mind that, overall it wasn't a horrible movie, just had some plot holes that were too convenient.

But than again, we are talking about realism in a series where humans are rushing around on spaceships moving at "warp" speeds, where a ship can be getting blown away, even the life support is not working, but the gravity generators are ALWAYS up and running (other than Star Trek 6, was so cool to FINALLY see a ships gravity go out!)

 

[Warped9]

I'm sure there are a few around here who will assert that have been done with Warped9 for decades. Well that's not quite accurate.

I held in for a long time. Firstly through the dry years of last week when Warped9's hatred for Star Trek was kept alive by the enormous success of the feature film and significant fan interest here on this BBS, as well as a smattering of occasional thread derailments. Many folks like to call Warped9's obsessive posting about the same topic over-and-over -and Warped9 himself- a failure, but that is by a very narrow definition because in the long run Warped9's obsession over the new Trek film was so massive that it launched a huge franchise of annoyed BBS posters.

Although I had my quibbles along the way any real dissatisfaction with Warped9 really started to take hold for me around about his 15,000th post, when his rage was in its final years, his ire got going and some medication came along. That and the Eclipse movies. That and the exposure to less annoying BBS posters in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forums helped give focus to things about Warped9 I was disappointed with and get an idea of where I felt Warped9 started to go astray (for my liking).

To say I'm done with Warped9 needs to be qualified. I will always love mocking him (missteps and all) as well as some of the elements of his personality. To that end I will still collect quotes related to those parts of Warped9 that I appreciate. I will continue to pursue personal little projects like rolling my eyes at him, sighing over his comments, and ignoring him, also related to those.

For a long time I couldn't imagine turning sour on Warped9, but I'm really done with the poster as a whole. He hasn't interested me in any positive way for years. And assuming that this thread is the new face of Warped9's posts then that is the final nail in the coffin until/unless he is ever posts about something bearing at least a passing resemblance to a new or fresh opinion. I won't elaborate any further on this point because I'm sure someone (no idea who!) would take personal offense over it.

I could well be a lone voice here or perhaps there might be a handful of like minded souls lurking about. If it sounds like sour grapes then so be it. The poster has gone in a direction I don't care for and don't respect. For those for whom it works, have fun.

I'm thankful there's other BBS members to enjoy and have intelligent discussions with, in here.

Another reason not to hang around the TOS forum. And there are a few more like this.

 

[Jetfire]

I haven't seen the JJTrek yet and I am in no hurry really. I loved TOS-ENT...TNG & VOY being my favs and that is enough...I really never got the reboot thing and always wondered why they couldn't have just done something new. JMHO.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

They did. IMAO.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

They did. IMAO.

Yeah, this.

 

[flemm]

I'm sure there are a few around here who will assert that have been done with Warped9 for decades. Well that's not quite accurate.

I held in for a long time. Firstly through the dry years of last week when Warped9's hatred for Star Trek was kept alive by the enormous success of the feature film and significant fan interest here on this BBS, as well as a smattering of occasional thread derailments. Many folks like to call Warped9's obsessive posting about the same topic over-and-over -and Warped9 himself- a failure, but that is by a very narrow definition because in the long run Warped9's obsession over the new Trek film was so massive that it launched a huge franchise of annoyed BBS posters.

Although I had my quibbles along the way any real dissatisfaction with Warped9 really started to take hold for me around about his 15,000th post, when his rage was in its final years, his ire got going and some medication came along. That and the Eclipse movies. That and the exposure to less annoying BBS posters in the Science Fiction & Fantasy forums helped give focus to things about Warped9 I was disappointed with and get an idea of where I felt Warped9 started to go astray (for my liking).

To say I'm done with Warped9 needs to be qualified. I will always love mocking him (missteps and all) as well as some of the elements of his personality. To that end I will still collect quotes related to those parts of Warped9 that I appreciate. I will continue to pursue personal little projects like rolling my eyes at him, sighing over his comments, and ignoring him, also related to those.

For a long time I couldn't imagine turning sour on Warped9, but I'm really done with the poster as a whole. He hasn't interested me in any positive way for years. And assuming that this thread is the new face of Warped9's posts then that is the final nail in the coffin until/unless he is ever posts about something bearing at least a passing resemblance to a new or fresh opinion. I won't elaborate any further on this point because I'm sure someone (no idea who!) would take personal offense over it.

I could well be a lone voice here or perhaps there might be a handful of like minded souls lurking about. If it sounds like sour grapes then so be it. The poster has gone in a direction I don't care for and don't respect. For those for whom it works, have fun.

I'm thankful there's other BBS members to enjoy and have intelligent discussions with, in here.

LMAO! You have officially made this thread worthwhile

 

[Doug Otte]

I share Warped9's feelings about Trek in its various incarnations. Like him, I'll always remain interested in the original Trek, its movies, and TNG. However, I'm still interested in reading and posting here. That interest ebbs and flows, but that's the way my interest in anything goes.

Regarding Abrams Trek, I was happy that it was successful. I found it mildly interesting as a popcorn flick, but agree that it didn't feel like "real" Trek - TO ME.

I'm afraid that it won't spark a new generation of Trek fans - that is, long-term fans who will delve back into the original Trek. It was just a popular popcorn flick. The next one might or might not be successful on the same level.

Doug

 

[Char Aznable]

A movie that I personally dislike is currently extremely popular. I don't like this fact and so, after losing arguments debating NuTrek's legitimacy as Star Trek, I'm deciding to take my leave. Instead of doing a sensible and consistant thing like just stop posting, I've chosen instead to make a thread to draw attention to myself as well as continue to reply to the forum I just claimed to have little wish to interact with anymore. Still, at least I got attention, right?

Simplified version. No need to thank me.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

^ FTW.

 

[Warped9]

A movie that I personally dislike is currently extremely popular. I don't like this fact and so, after losing arguments debating NuTrek's legitimacy as Star Trek, I'm deciding to take my leave. Instead of doing a sensible and consistant thing like just stop posting, I've chosen instead to make a thread to draw attention to myself as well as continue to reply to the forum I just claimed to have little wish to interact with anymore. Still, at least I got attention, right?

Simplified version. No need to thank me.

Many words come to mind, most of them inflammatory.

Regarding Abrams Trek....I'm afraid that it won't spark a new generation of Trek fans - that is, long-term fans who will delve back into the original Trek. It was just a popular popcorn flick. The next one might or might not be successful on the same level.

Doug

I'm inclined to agree.

 

[Dukhat]

Many words come to mind, most of them inflammatory.

I'm looking forward to 2012 when the new movie comes out, so that you'll then be posting that this time, you're really REALLY done with Star Trek.

Honestly dude, you bring this on yourself.

You know, when I'm hitting on girls at a party and the feeling isn't reciprocated, or if I'm drinking a lot of beer and then suddenly the keg is empty, that's when I'm "done" with that party. And you know what I do then? I LEAVE the party. I don't hang around constantly complaining that this party was awesome when I first got there, but now it totally sucks. I just leave.

Regarding Abrams Trek....I'm afraid that it won't spark a new generation of Trek fans - that is, long-term fans who will delve back into the original Trek. It was just a popular popcorn flick. The next one might or might not be successful on the same level.

Doug

I'm inclined to agree.

Of course you are. Even though Doug's opinion doesn't really make much sense. What he's saying is that even though a shitload of people went to see the movie and will most likely go to see the sequel, it will still not make them "long-term fans [of TOS]," and that if you're not a fan of the original series, you can't by default be one of the "new generation" of Star Trek fans. Huh?

 

[Char Aznable]

^ Honestly, I know many, many people who have gotten into the older shows through NuTrek. Granted, some of them like the new movie better, but so what? The new movie designed to appeal to a new generation of fans appealed to . . . GASP! A new generation! Why the hell is NuTrek's worth being graded on whether or not someone likes everything that came before? There are people on this very forum who insist that everything before TNG sucks ass. Are you people going to tell them they aren't true fans? No, cuz JJ Abrams is teh suxors, right?

Many words come to mind, most of them inflammatory.

I know, but it's good to hold those words in. Otherwise, you might get banned for flaming and you certainly don't want that. It's not like you're done with Star Trek or anything.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Whether someone becomes a "long-term fan" of the Franchise and supports older variations of it is - well first of all, it's completely unknowable, and secondly it's only a thing that can matter to current fans. It has no more bearing on the fortunes of Trek and the people who own it than whether the Christopher Reeve Superman movie renewed interest in the art of Wayne Boring or Otto Binder's writing.

 

[Captain Robert April]

If nothing else, the fanfilm community has demonstrated that we really don't need Paramount to keep the party going. To pick up on an earlier analogy, it's like killing off the keg, only to find out that somebody set up a microbrewery out back. No need to leave the party, just hang out a little longer and we'll refill that keg ourselves. Screw Budweiser.

 

[flemm]

If nothing else, the fanfilm community has demonstrated that we really don't need Paramount to keep the party going. To pick up on an earlier analogy, it's like killing off the keg, only to find out that somebody set up a microbrewery out back. No need to leave the party, just hang out a little longer and we'll refill that keg ourselves. Screw Budweiser.

It's awesome that people are out there doing fan films. I mean, I've never even watched let alone been involved with any of them, but it's great to know that people are out there doing creative work with something they love.

I don't really get the animosity toward the new film, though. It's not as if it's going to stifle anyone else's creative efforts. The most interesting aspect of Trek 09 is how divisive it is at times. It wasn't great, but it was fun. And it was successful enough that there will be more Trek films made soon. The next one will probably be better, since it will probably be more ambitious in scope. Nothing to get all worked up about either way, really.

Anyway, kudos to anyone out there doing fan films and to Warped9 for any creative Trek efforts he may be engaged in as well. It's just that the "ragequit" thread is a bit of an easy target

 

[Warped9]

Yes, I hate the film, but it's really only a part of my dissatisfaction. It's only the latest of disappointments stretching back years. What it really comes down to is fading interest to cover the same ground over and over and over again. Subjects are raised by new posters for whom it's all new and fresh while you've hashed over it countless times. You get to the point feeling, "What have I got to contribute that hasn't been said ad nauseam already?"

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's awesome that people are out there doing fan films. I mean, I've never even watched let alone been involved with any of them, but it's great to know that people are out there doing creative work with something they love.

It's enormous fun and, I think, eventually leads to other creative things for a lot of people. It certainly provides experience to a lot of folks who are already engage in or move on to professional endeavors as artists and crew. I know a couple of folks who have become professional actors not necessarily on the basis of their work in fan films but as a result of participating and finding that they have a strong desire to pursue that on their own and through professional channels in regard to representation, study and so on.

As far as how we feel about Trek or about the new movie - just about like everyone else does. We like different versions of Trek; most of us like the new movie and some of us dislike it vociferously. You could say the same about what we think of Avatar, for that matter.

 

[flemm]

"What have I got to contribute that hasn't been said ad nauseam already?"

Well, "ragequit" threads are common on MMO game forums because those games tend to eat up absurd amounts of time and energy. Eventually, the gamer will start to get frustrated and make the mistake of thinking that the problem is the game, i.e. that it is not exciting enough, not well-designed enough and, especially, that it is unfair to him in some way.

In reality, while the game is undoubtedly far from perfect, the real issue is that the gamer has simply become too deeply invested in the game to the point that it can never be satisfying because no game, however well-designed, can provide that type of satisfaction on its own.

The ragequitting gamer just needs to take a break for a while and think about something else, after which time the game will usually become fun again. Thus the standard response is "Can I have your stuff?" because, implicitly, everyone knows the answer is "no, you cannot have my stuff, because deep down I know I will eventually get interested in the game again and want my in-game stuff to be waiting for me."

Some of this may - and I emphasize the "may" - be applicable to your situation as well.

As far as how we feel about Trek or about the new movie - just about like everyone else does. We like different versions of Trek; most of us like the new movie and some of us dislike it vociferously. You could say the same about what we think of Avatar, for that matter.

Right, I wasn't implying that everyone involved in fan films hates Trek '09. I was speaking more generally about all of the antagonism on this forum surrounding the film. Not that it is really surprising because, as you say, the internet is rife with antagonism on endless numbers of trivial subjects, but nonetheless it is amusing, at least to me, that Trek fans can't just be pleased that the film did all right and that now there will be more, probably better, films

 

[BillJ]

It always warms my heart to see how understanding each side is to the others quarrels with Trek.