Domnion War should have ended by end of season 5

[DWF]

PKTrekGirl said:

rofeta said:
Why would they have a crossover when they are on the other side of the universe to Voy?

And there we have it.

Can't believe it took people this long to get here.

The Gamma Quadrant was NOT where Voyager was lost. Voyager was lost in the Delta Quadrant, and 'ya can't get thar from here!'

Not sure how you'd to a crossover show with a crew that was lost on the other side of the galaxy....

Actually if Voyager had gone though the Gamma Quadrant to the wormhole it would've saved them alot of time rather than going straight though the Delta Quadrant, so they could've had a crossover with DS9 if they really wanted one.

 

[Anwar]

It still would've taken them years to get to the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole, nearly as much to get back to Earth.

 

[DWF]

Anwar said:
It still would've taken them years to get to the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole, nearly as much to get back to Earth.

Far less than the 75 years they started out with at any rate.

 

[DarKush]

If anything, I would rather Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant early so they could participate in some DW stories, or at least deal with some of the aftermath of the DW.

 

[toughlittleship]

I haven't seen an episode of Voyager for six years, but was there any reference to the war or its aftermath in Voyager's final two seasons? Probably not.

 

[Anwar]

There was, but there seemed to be some emnity between the two writing staffs so they didn't collaborate on anything.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Back in the olden days when DS9 was still on, some of us at Psi Phi (this place wasn't up and running quite yet) kicked around the idea of having the Federation lose the war as of S7 and then continuing the story on VOY as Janeway & co would come home to a drastically changed AQ. Some of the VOY crew could be killed off in VOY's S5 finale when they blundered into a war zone (which would happen around the same time as DS9's series finale) and the survivors of DS9 (I figured there would be more deaths among the regulars than turned out to be the case) would join VOY.

Of course, the idea could only work if the DS9 writers/producers took over VOY and used the last two seasons to segue into the next Trek series, which would be about the resistance to the Dominion occupation, with maybe one or two characters from DS9 and VOY, and a whole bunch of new people. Or mabye just guest shots from DS9 and VOY (and TNG).

Ah, those were the days, what an EPIC that would have been. Inter-series harmony at last, but only if the DS9 people were running the show, otherwise forget it.

 

[Kegek]

^
Even with that, Berman would never let it happen. I know Behr liked the idea of the Feds losing, but letting DS9 have a major war with dark elements was probably stretching it as it is... but frankly, increasing conservatism with series elements was something that was stagnating the franchise even then towards its slow death.

 

[David cgc]

DWF said:

Anwar said:
It still would've taken them years to get to the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole, nearly as much to get back to Earth.

Far less than the 75 years they started out with at any rate.

Well, yes, but what if the wormhole had closed or been blockaded or something in the intervening decades. Not to mention that the last thing Voyager heard about the Gamma Quadrant was that it was run by some sort of fascist superstate that just blew up a Galaxy-class starship for the hell of it.

 

[Timo]

Also, "well, no". The wormhole mouth would have been barely 10-15% closer than Earth, meaning that the human crew would be dead or addled by the time the ship reached her destination anyway. Taking the uncertain route would not have markedly shortened the journey even in the best case.

Which doesn't change the fact that it would have been damned interesting to see Janeway pit herself against the Dominion in some alternate scenario where the wormhole indeed were a viable way home.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Guy Gardener]

If Janeway had known about the Ferengi before she met them that she wouldn't have been "confused" by their fast talking flimflammery. That was the most ideal locus to fly towards. Second would have been contacting the Cytherians after they found a species with a transporter that had a range of 40 thousand light years.

Braga always says at cons that from where Janeway was deposited, that the distances to the Wormhole and Earth were equidistant. But then that guy can't even read a map that he puts stuff on screen which tells me half of my encyclopedia map is inverted.

Bones. Remember the First Gulf War? They sent Saddam back into Iraq declared victory and left re-opening their diplomatic channels. All that was a couple months at most and America lost 80 troops. All was fine after that till the Americans elected a madman. Going into the Gamma Quadrant would have been a death trap, especially if the federation "won" that there wouldn't have been some magnificent chaos left post war which they would have felt responsible for which a thousand planets who hated being under Dominion rule wouldn't also blame the federation for too.

 

[DWF]

David cgc said:

DWF said:

Anwar said:
It still would've taken them years to get to the Gamma Quadrant end of the wormhole, nearly as much to get back to Earth.

Far less than the 75 years they started out with at any rate.

Well, yes, but what if the wormhole had closed or been blockaded or something in the intervening decades. Not to mention that the last thing Voyager heard about the Gamma Quadrant was that it was run by some sort of fascist superstate that just blew up a Galaxy-class starship for the hell of it.

It couldn't have been any more dangerous than facing both the Borg and Species 8472 going though the Delta Quadrant. Or how about heading into the Borg controlled hub in Endgame?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or Neelix's cooking.

 

[Hofner]

DWF said:

PKTrekGirl said:

rofeta said:
Why would they have a crossover when they are on the other side of the universe to Voy?

And there we have it.

Can't believe it took people this long to get here.

The Gamma Quadrant was NOT where Voyager was lost. Voyager was lost in the Delta Quadrant, and 'ya can't get thar from here!'

Not sure how you'd to a crossover show with a crew that was lost on the other side of the galaxy....

Actually if Voyager had gone though the Gamma Quadrant to the wormhole it would've saved them alot of time rather than going straight though the Delta Quadrant, so they could've had a crossover with DS9 if they really wanted one.

How is it that you know Voyager was closer to the GQ end of the wormhole than Earth? Did they show a map showing the positions of Voyager, Earth and the GQ wormhole entrance?

Robert

 

[DWF]

How is it that you know Voyager was closer to the GQ end of the wormhole than Earth? Did they show a map showing the positions of Voyager, Earth and the GQ wormhole entrance?

Robert

Yeah there's a Star Trek starmap book out there I saw it once at Neroon's house, but it has all the major powers of the galaxy and their locations and you can see where the wormhole comes out at in the Gamma Quadrant.

 

[Hofner]

DWF said:

How is it that you know Voyager was closer to the GQ end of the wormhole than Earth? Did they show a map showing the positions of Voyager, Earth and the GQ wormhole entrance?

Robert

Yeah there's a Star Trek starmap book out there I saw it once at Neroon's house, but it has all the major powers of the galaxy and their locations and you can see where the wormhole comes out at in the Gamma Quadrant.

Weeell, I hate to use the "c" word and I'll try not to. Actually I've seen one or two maps at Star Trek websites that show this too and I had a little bit of a problem with them.

When I watched the Voyager pilot when it first aired I wondered about how far they were from the GQ wormhole entrance. Because they didn't bother to mention anything about this I just concluded it was as far or even farther away. This could easily be true if we don't consider those maps. I would think those maps didn't exist at the time. So I felt the people who made those maps got it wrong.

But this is just my assumption and I can't swear the maps are wrong. I'm just saying there were two possibilities and I went for the simplest one. (Oops, I hope that's not indicative of my mind!)

Robert

 

[DWF]

hofner said:

DWF said:

How is it that you know Voyager was closer to the GQ end of the wormhole than Earth? Did they show a map showing the positions of Voyager, Earth and the GQ wormhole entrance?

Robert

Yeah there's a Star Trek starmap book out there I saw it once at Neroon's house, but it has all the major powers of the galaxy and their locations and you can see where the wormhole comes out at in the Gamma Quadrant.

Weeell, I hate to use the "c" word and I'll try not to. Actually I've seen one or two maps at Star Trek websites that show this too and I had a little bit of a problem with them.

When I watched the Voyager pilot when it first aired I wondered about how far they were from the GQ wormhole entrance. Because they didn't bother to mention anything about this I just concluded it was as far or even farther away. This could easily be true if we don't consider those maps. I would think those maps didn't exist at the time. So I felt the people who made those maps got it wrong.

But this is just my assumption and I can't swear the maps are wrong. I'm just saying there were two possibilities and I went for the simplest one. (Oops, I hope that's not indicative of my mind!)

Robert

Well you can see it here and it's far closer than yopu might think.

http://www.startreksite.com/maps/map02.html

 

[Anwar]

Real reason?

The studio wanted VOY most self-contained, episodic stuff appealing to the casual viewer. Making it a big DS9 crossover wouldn't have fit the bill.

At this point the studio no longer cared about good storytelling or connections between shows, they just wanted $$$.

 

[Hofner]

DWF said:

hofner said:

DWF said:

How is it that you know Voyager was closer to the GQ end of the wormhole than Earth? Did they show a map showing the positions of Voyager, Earth and the GQ wormhole entrance?

Robert

Yeah there's a Star Trek starmap book out there I saw it once at Neroon's house, but it has all the major powers of the galaxy and their locations and you can see where the wormhole comes out at in the Gamma Quadrant.

Weeell, I hate to use the "c" word and I'll try not to. Actually I've seen one or two maps at Star Trek websites that show this too and I had a little bit of a problem with them.

When I watched the Voyager pilot when it first aired I wondered about how far they were from the GQ wormhole entrance. Because they didn't bother to mention anything about this I just concluded it was as far or even farther away. This could easily be true if we don't consider those maps. I would think those maps didn't exist at the time. So I felt the people who made those maps got it wrong.

But this is just my assumption and I can't swear the maps are wrong. I'm just saying there were two possibilities and I went for the simplest one. (Oops, I hope that's not indicative of my mind!)

Robert

Well you can see it here and it's far closer than yopu might think.

http://www.startreksite.com/maps/map02.html

And someone can easily make a map that shows they're further apart.

Robert

 

[Timo]

And ultimately, somebody did. And placed it in a VOY episode to boot.

The map on the above link wasn't witnessed on screen. This one was . Never quite in focus, though, but in sufficient detail to see that going to the Gamma wormhole would not have helped much.

Timo Saloniemi