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Dollhouse: "Echoes" (1x07)
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Probably like many viewers here, I immediately started thinking, "It's a long-chain form of water! It's passed through perspiration!" While familiar, this did serve the same purpose as "The Naked Time/Now": showing character backgrounds and personalities in a quick manner.
Several amusing moments as well, such as "drawer of inappropriate starches." Above average. Next week looks good, too.
Several amusing moments as well, such as "drawer of inappropriate starches." Above average. Next week looks good, too.
Once again, the caracter and acting that is Topher was terrible. And is rant at the beginning went on way too long.
Again it's just "Average", and nothing remarkable, and again -- like last week's episode -- this is better than the first five episodes.
It was nice to finally see, after six episodes of basically nothing important happening, more than just one tidbit about what happened to these people and learn more about what we all knew the Dollhouse was: evil.
And the promo for next week looks exciting. It's what we've all been waiting for, I would think.
Again, the show needs a composer change. A lot of drama is this episode was not helped at all by the bad scoring. Robsimonsen & Mychael Danna just aren't the people for this job.
Again it's just "Average", and nothing remarkable, and again -- like last week's episode -- this is better than the first five episodes.
It was nice to finally see, after six episodes of basically nothing important happening, more than just one tidbit about what happened to these people and learn more about what we all knew the Dollhouse was: evil.
And the promo for next week looks exciting. It's what we've all been waiting for, I would think.
Again, the show needs a composer change. A lot of drama is this episode was not helped at all by the bad scoring. Robsimonsen & Mychael Danna just aren't the people for this job.
Not nearly. There are a lot of folks besides PETA who object to the kinds of research she objected to. A whole lot. Believe me, were it otherwise security in the NIH facilities around my area would be a lot, lot cheaper. And when it gets to primate research, some of the staff aren't even comfortable with it all.
Mainly what she was, was a political and social activist.
This is going to get a lot more interesting as she realizes what's been done to her, since the Dollhouse has given her all kinds of information and skills that she didn't have when they co-opted her.
Nice episode. Not too interesting story, but much needed character backgrounds. Some of the character interactions, even the drug induced ones, felt genuine as well. Even though Topher remains annoying. It certainly seems that starting last week this show turned into something that actually deserves watching and might grow into something good.
It felt like Joss Whedon taped my eyelids open and took a diarrheah dump on my face. 
FOX should cancel this thing tomorrow so that there's no chance I'd ever miss it. The previous two weeks seemed to be decent television, but this was a mess.
Echo's backstory is that she is a PETA wackjob. How lame is that? A girl who can't let the evil corporations hurt monkeys
. Oh, I guess she was a 'college party' girl too, wow, she's really developing into a well rounded character.
I guess Echo's real personality is even more bland and uninteresting than her imprints to date.
The closest thing to a smile on my face during the entire episode was when Helo was making breakfast and it made me think back to Galactica where he was doing the same thing, then hid from a Cylon, and was outed by the toaster finishing!
FOX should cancel this thing tomorrow so that there's no chance I'd ever miss it. The previous two weeks seemed to be decent television, but this was a mess.
Echo's backstory is that she is a PETA wackjob. How lame is that? A girl who can't let the evil corporations hurt monkeys
. Oh, I guess she was a 'college party' girl too, wow, she's really developing into a well rounded character.I guess Echo's real personality is even more bland and uninteresting than her imprints to date.
The closest thing to a smile on my face during the entire episode was when Helo was making breakfast and it made me think back to Galactica where he was doing the same thing, then hid from a Cylon, and was outed by the toaster finishing!
I loved it when Echo refused the treatment, and Boyd started laughing. That was before I realized the drug's effects were spreading----it just seemed like something he'd do anyway.
Also, this seems to disprove the theories that DeWitt or Topher are dolls.
Also, this seems to disprove the theories that DeWitt or Topher are dolls.
Yeah, I don't think I care about the "real" Echo at all. It also seems odd that some dude would randomly take a crazy girl along with her to infiltrate a building. How would he have known that she had some way to sneak into the building? Bleh.
I also guess that having the other people get infected was supposed to be funny or cute... but... not really.
I also guess that having the other people get infected was supposed to be funny or cute... but... not really.
Looks like I'm the only one who actually likes Topher. I liked this episode, not brilliant, but it was fun, and did give some insights in to the characters.
Checkmate
Commodore
I've been watching this series since the premiere while trying to give it a decent chance. I disliked and dismissed Firefly right from the start, but many of my friends loved it for inexplicable reasons. So I really wanted to give this one a shot before I did the same.
Unfortunately... it sucks. It really, really sucks.
The basic premise itself is terrible. The client today paid millions for a prostitute to act naive and kinky, yet she walked out on him just like anyone else could have done. And if you're willing to pay millions for a prostitute, I damn well guarantee you can find a real one who does a better job in every category and who wouldn't be stupid enough to walk out. Glitch or not, it's stupid. I don't care if it's a common argument, it's a completely valid one.
Tonight's story itself was terrible. Boyd was inexplicably affected by the drug (when exactly did he come into physical contact with anyone who had it?), but by the end of the episode he was just fine and acting normally. Even while others, like the guy who tried to kill Echo in the fire, were completely out of their mind. Worse still was the assumption that a drug that messed with your memories would somehow be useless against people who's memories you've completely frelled. What kind of twisted logic is that?! Especially when you have cases like Alpha where they flipped out when they remembered parts of their supposedly non-existant memories!
And why the heck did they have Topher working on an antidote anyway?!? We've never seen them once use drugs as part of the treatments. Is he supposed to be some kind of supergenius savant in all things science now, even though he's basically just a tech working at one out of dozens if not hundreds of Dollhouses around the world?
Then there's the acting and cast members like the guy playing Topher who are just... well, God awful. I honestly couldn't tell if he was affected by the drug or not as he was equally incomprehensibly stupid and annoying either way.
Just a terrible, terrible show.
Unfortunately... it sucks. It really, really sucks.
The basic premise itself is terrible. The client today paid millions for a prostitute to act naive and kinky, yet she walked out on him just like anyone else could have done. And if you're willing to pay millions for a prostitute, I damn well guarantee you can find a real one who does a better job in every category and who wouldn't be stupid enough to walk out. Glitch or not, it's stupid. I don't care if it's a common argument, it's a completely valid one.
Tonight's story itself was terrible. Boyd was inexplicably affected by the drug (when exactly did he come into physical contact with anyone who had it?), but by the end of the episode he was just fine and acting normally. Even while others, like the guy who tried to kill Echo in the fire, were completely out of their mind. Worse still was the assumption that a drug that messed with your memories would somehow be useless against people who's memories you've completely frelled. What kind of twisted logic is that?! Especially when you have cases like Alpha where they flipped out when they remembered parts of their supposedly non-existant memories!
And why the heck did they have Topher working on an antidote anyway?!? We've never seen them once use drugs as part of the treatments. Is he supposed to be some kind of supergenius savant in all things science now, even though he's basically just a tech working at one out of dozens if not hundreds of Dollhouses around the world?
Then there's the acting and cast members like the guy playing Topher who are just... well, God awful. I honestly couldn't tell if he was affected by the drug or not as he was equally incomprehensibly stupid and annoying either way.
Just a terrible, terrible show.
The tattooed girl who said he had "houses in his eyes." She went to touch his face, and he pushed her hand away.
And he was back to normal at the end of the episode because Topher realized about midway through that the effects wear off after something like four hours. It wasn't a permanent condition. It just sent you tripping.
Checkmate
Commodore
So that explains why he was exposed to it later than some of the other characters (I had forgotten about the girl), yet wasn't tripping at the end while everyone else was full-on crazy still? I guess his police training made him more immune? Or something equally inane?
Bah, nevermind. It's really not worth going on about. I have better things to do with my time than continue to point out how awful this show is.
I could handle the fact that she was a PETA nutball, but the conversation with her friends where we learned this was just so incredibly inane. Nobody sits around talking like that unless they're high!
That got a huge laugh from me. I also loved DeWitt's "I'm really British" line. Both felt very Whedonesque.
I'm really not sure where the confusion is coming from - he reacted just like everyone else did. They just didn't spend as much time on him as they did on Dominic/DeWitt/Topher.
Did anyone else feel like, despite the "spoilers," they were setting up Leo (Caroline's boyfriend) as Alpha? It would explain why Alpha spared Echo, and we were told that we would meet him before we knew who he was. I realize he died at the end of the flashbacks, but still...I just can't shake the feeling.
Definitely looking forward to next week's, although I'm amazed that it's happening so soon. It kind of feels like Joss decided there was no way Fox was giving them a second season once he heard about the Friday night slot, and figured he might as well give the fans of the show some semblance of resolution so we wouldn't bitch and moan like we did with Firefly.
To me this episode was like "Band Candy II", only with large plot holes.
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