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Does It Get Better???

I suppose you're right. It would still have to have been tweaked some, but you're right that they probably could have still made it work.
Putting Kes as the lead in Timless would have been interesting if the writers had the tact to contrast and compare with Before and After.
Y'all misunderstood me.

I meant, even if Harry Kim had been cut from the show, that didn't preclude them from bringing Garrett Wang back 2 seasons later to film Timeless. My post had nothing to do with Kes.

My "hint, hint" was in reference to Fury.

Ah, okay. I completely misunderstood. And I thought by "hint, hint" you meant something else entirely, which I will not go into here. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Yesterdays Enterprise and Sela Yar were awesome

I thought Yar was just as uninteresting in Yesterday's Enterprise as she was in Season One. Skin of Evil should have been her last appearance on the show, IMO.
And don't even get me started on Sela. I don't know who's idea it was to give Tasha a half-human and half-romulan daughter that looks EXACTLY like her mother. Did they seriously think that fans were going to buy it?
 
Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening :lol:

And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
 
I completely agree with AdmiralScreed on the Yar boredom.

But I do think if the character had ended up on DS9 as in Guy's fantasy she might have actually become interesting. She would have been older which would have helped and pairing her with Dax would have been fresh.
 
I liked it when that pig soldier stuck Wesley with a bayonette and then shook him above his head while he bled out.

IN the Collectible card game, they use a picture of that for a card called...

Wait a second.



Wesley get's the point.

The kid was murdered.

Bev must have had him on some serious medication to stop him acting out, after an event as traumatizing as dying only to discover that there is no god and...
 
Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening :lol:

And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.

I don't hate Wesley either, but it's not like the handful of Naomi episodes in VOY stand out. DS9 had Jake and Nog hijinks eps. The series with the least amount of children was Enterprise.

I like the Naomi interactions with 7. Naomi is a smart kid and she seems to appreciate 7's complete inability to treat her as a child.
 
I too am new to the Voyager Series. I just got it, and I am up to Season 5 disk 6, already. It gets better some and worst. Jennifer Lein leaves the show, Jeri Ryan gets introduced and steals the show and seems like the future episodes as well. They even have episodes with a kid in there, I do not know who the hell thought of that. The kid was a waste of a good "Sci-Fi" hour. None of the more serious Treks, i.e. Original and TNG, would have never had such passive episode with kids being kids, unless there was some dark, suspense and threating reasoning behind it.

I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.

I thought Naomi Wildman was a fine kid character who added a lot to the stories she was in. I thought "Once Upon a Time" was fantastic.
 
AdmiralScreed speaking of disagreements I am having a heart attack over your blasphemous sig line!!!!!!!

Sorry, but that's the way I roll. TNG is the #1 Trek show in my book, and Picard is my all time favorite television/movie character ever. Kirk and TOS? Well, just go look up an old thread in the general section called TOS: Overrated?, and that'll tell you everything you need to know about me and TOS.

And so far I haven't had any problems with Naomi. The only recurring child characters that I couldn't stand were Nog and Alexander, although at least Alexander got better as he got older. Nog, on the other hand, just turned into an unlikable, arrogant, and overly gung ho soldier.
 
Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening :lol:

And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
I didn't like how he was socially awkward.
 
Oh yeah Wesley was so dark, suspenseful and threatening :lol:

And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
I didn't like how he was socially awkward.

I thought it was a character flaw that made him more relatable. Despite his superior intelligence he's still human. He isn't perfect, and he makes mistakes.
 
Guy, please don't tell me you're a Wesley hater. Uh uh, sorry. We don't serve your kind here. ;)

I was young enough when TNG aired that I could look up to Wesley as a role model, you know how it just wonderful how the teen makes the adults look like rubes. Good times.

It's the monkey sitting next to Picard I have a problem with.

I thought Naomi Wildman was a fine kid character who added a lot to the stories she was in. I thought "Once Upon a Time" was fantastic.

I was old enough when Voyager started airing that I could see tiny children as adorable, like kittens riding skateboards.

besides, in Once Upon a Time, Naomi is only three years old.

That's a (*&^%ing hard core Three Year old.

"relatively" speaking.

Y'know, since when kes was three, she turned into a god in one timeline and had a baby with Tom in an other, and by the time time she was 4, Harry was her son in law.
 
Guy, please don't tell me you're a Wesley hater. Uh uh, sorry. We don't serve your kind here. ;)

I was young enough when TNG aired that I could look up to Wesley as a role model, you know how it just wonderful how the teen makes the adults look like rubes. Good times.

It's the monkey sitting next to Picard I have a problem with.

Sometimes I think I looooove everything in Trek just because compared to the one thing I truly hate, the monkey, everything looks pretty good.
 
And I'll go on record to say that I actually liked Wesley. Not one of the best Trek characters ever, sure, but he had some damn good episodes. The First Duty, Journey's End, and Where No One Has Gone Before to name a few. Plus I don't think Justice is as terrible as everyone claims.
I didn't like how he was socially awkward.

I thought it was a character flaw that made him more relatable. Despite his superior intelligence he's still human. He isn't perfect, and he makes mistakes.
I found Jake, Nog & Niomi more relatable.
They weren't perfect people either but they were also more grounded.
I found Wesley to be a stereotype of what folks think all tech-nerds are like. He acted like he was from "Leave it to Beaver" than what I expected from a child of the 24th century.
 
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