Does It Get Better???

[AdmiralScreed]

As an update, here are all of my episode ratings for Voyager so far. I've gone back and reevaluated a number of episodes, so not all of my ratings are exactly the same as the first time around:


Season One
The Caretaker P1/P2 5
Parallax 6
Time and Again 5
Phage 5
The Cloud 4
Eye of the Needle 7
Ex Post Facto 5
Emanations 3
Prime Factors 7
State of Flux 7
Heroes and Demons 4
Cathexis 3
Faces 6
Jetrel 5
Learning Curve 6
Average: 5.2


Season 2
The 37’s 5
Initiations 3
Projections 6
Elogium 2
Non Sequitur 6
Twisted 6
Parturition 6
Persistence of Vision 3
Tatoo 2
Cold Fire 7
Maneuvers 7
Resistance 6
Prototype 6
Alliances 9
Threshold 3
Meld 7
Dreadnought 6
Death Wish 7
Lifesigns 5
Investigations 8
Deadlock 6
Innocence 3
The Thaw 9
Tuvix 6
Resolutions 5
Basics P1 8
Average: 5.7


Season 3
Basics P2 10

 

[tighr]

Ugh, Basics II was horrible. The only good part was, as you mention, Suder. He was phenomenal in that episode.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I really enjoy the Doctor/Suder/Voyager parts of "Basics," but I couldn't stand the planet-side stuff. Voyager crew vs. Caveman aliens? And then they become best friends because Chakotay saves a girl who is too afraid to step over a lava pit. Oh, and Hogan gets eaten by a giant slug monster! I liked Hogan. I was pissed they killed him off.

..although we haven't seen the last of him.

I thought the crew of Voyager encountering the alien lifeforms and making peace with them was perfect Trek. I also liked seeing the crew adapt to living on a planet without their technology. They had to make use of their resources and work to together, which included learning to work with the other aliens.

 

[RoJoHen]

Yeah...I guess...I just wish they hadn't been such a cliche group of savages.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

I just wish they hadn't been such a cliche group of savages.

That's a fair criticism, though it didn't bother me at all.

I must be in the minority for liking this episode so much. Looking back, I liked pretty much all of the Kazon episodes except for their brief appearances in season one and their first episode in season 2, "Initiations." Every Kazon episode after "Initiations" was gold, IMO.

 

[tighr]

That's funny. I actually liked Initiations, and think of it as one my my favorite Kazon episodes. I was surprised this thread hated it so much.

 

[RoJoHen]

Honestly, I remember liking the episode a lot the first time I saw it, but that was a long time ago. TV always has a different impact the second time around.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

That's funny. I actually liked Initiations, and think of it as one my my favorite Kazon episodes. I was surprised this thread hated it so much.

Glad you liked it. Personally, I couldn't stand the child Kazon or the way the Kazon were portrayed as savage Klingon-copycats.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I hated "Inititations", I just found it ungodly boring but then I haven't rewatched it since I first saw it so maybe I need to.

Nice to see you couldn't keep away from Voyager Admiralscreed, I was the same when watching through the shows!

Regarding Basics - I felt it was a mediocre two parter with the second part really dragging Part I down.
I liked Part I - there was some mystery there and I absolutely loved the reveal when the computer tells Janeway the self-destruct sequence is offline due to the damage to the secondary command processors, Seska really outwitted them there.
As for Part II - didn't like the whole crewman vs primitive aliens stuff there either, and found the conclusion to be rushed which it pretty much was since Michael Piller had been jettisoned and everyone just wanted the Kazon arc to be over.
I thought it was pretty inexcusable that Seska was killed via exploding console and didn't even get any last words to Chakotay or anyone else for that matter.

Oh well onwards and downwards into season 3!

 

[DonIago]

I do think Basics II perhaps wrapped up everything a little -too- effectively, which I guess is a little hypocritical of me to say since by that point I was also a bit tired of the Kazon. I was a little irritated with how nobody found Culluh's henchman's biological explosive, but oh well, overall it was a decent way to handle things.

Also, I thought it was somewhat a shame that in its first two seasons Voyager introduced all of these folks in Engineering, and by the end of the first episode of S3 they've all been eliminated from the show. It was nice having that string of secondary characters.

 

[tighr]

Also, I thought it was somewhat a shame that in its first two seasons Voyager introduced all of these folks in Engineering, and by the end of the first episode of S3 they've all been eliminated from the show. It was nice having that string of secondary characters.

Joe Carey's not dead!

I'll leave this post spoiler-free.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

He said eliminated from the show, he didn't say he was dead.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ayala was in 113 episodes.

In a hundred and 13 episodes, the only person who ever talked to him on camera was Tuvix.

Voyager cared less and less about it's supporting characters every year.

If there had been a season 8, it just would have been 26 pornos staring the Doctor and Seven of Nine.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Tonight, before watching X-Men: First Class, I decided to watch another episode of Voyager.

Flashback: I'm not a TOS fan, but I am a big fan of TUC, so seeing the flashbacks to Tuvok's time on the Excelsior during the events of TUC was very cool. I liked seeing Tuvok butt heads with Sulu and the other crewman of the Excelsior. One thing that bothered me though was the whole "virus" disguised as a repressed memory, or something like that. It didn't make a whole lot of sense.
Overall, a solid episode with some flaws.
6/10

 

[You_Will_Fail]

I'm not sure which was worse, "Flashback" or "X Men: First Class"/
They should have simply done a time travel story, the virus angle ruined it.....Janeway was just in Tuvok's head so the whole Sulu becoming aware of them meant NOTHING because it was all just random crap going on in Tuvok's head and then a load of technobabble crap interspersed...just awful.
Actually I might just have to say "Flashback" is even worse than "X Men: First Class" but its a close call.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

Actually I might just have to say "Flashback" is even worse than "X Men: First Class" but its a close call.

I'd actually say the other way around. My brother gave me X-Men: First Class for Christmas, and having never seen it before I thought it was going to be great because most of the critics loved it. Well, suffice it to say I didn't love it, or even really like it for that matter. It was just okay. It had its good moments, but on the whole it wasn't very satisfying. Flashback was at least entertaining.
Anyway, sorry to go off on an X-Men tangent.

 

[Lord Manitou]

That's all it was. Tuvok falls victim to his Vulcan physiology. Tuvok had a cerebral virus that healed. Too bad for Tuvok.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tuvok had been syphilitic for the last century.

His brain had been boiling in madness making terrible decisions for the last century.

Whic includes loving his wife.

He got syphilis from a man.

He gave syphilis to Janeway,

It was living thinking feeling sentient syphilis and they killed it.

Respecting all life my ass.

It could have been the last of it's kind.

Killing the last representative of a species is genocide.

Someone should have volunteered as a host.

Although if Tuvix had it, then so does Neelix.

Actually looking at the "training" Tuvok had with Kes.

Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep sexy Melds to teach her how to control her complete toolbox of abilities.

Tuvok probably gave her Syphilis too, and if left untreated, might explain the unusual behaviors she expressed in her final episode.

So Neelix gave it to kes, or kes gave it to Neelix, if they were playing hide the salami, which some schools of thought argue against.

 

[AdmiralScreed]

The Chute: Not very good, but not too bad either. I liked the way Janeway handled the situation with the government as well as with the terrorists. Wang's acting was rotten as usual.
5/10

 

[Amaris]

You seem to be having a better time at it than I, AdmiralScreed. I'm most of the way through Season 2, and I'm having trouble continuing. So far, it's just not clicking for me, and while some episodes are good, most of them are laborious, and I have trouble finishing them (though I am determined to see the entire series through).