Does Discovery Need a "Explore What It Means to Be Human" Character???!
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Phlox is the epitome of what is means to be part of a tossed salad.
https://classracegender.wordpress.com/2014/02/05/america-melting-pot-or-tossed-salad/
Small personality? Are we watching a different show? Phlox is someone who doesn't give a damn if everyone thinks he's weird. Normally, bland people don't display anything weird for the world to notice.
Then there's the audition description:
The audition statement alone to me is so bland it's silly. Like they're scared to give him any personality. We can't be sure of his age, he has humor, but nobody can understand it (so noone can get offended)
Give me Spock or Data, rich background, they have personality, they are not just placed there because they "think that humanity is fascinating".
He manipulated Archer into committing genocide.
Maybe he started off as just thinking that humanity is fascinating (the character was created before they named his species). The show never dived deep into Denobulan culture. But he encouraged Trip not to ignore Feezal's advances, even though Trip balks at the thought of romancing another man's (who happens to be Phlox) wife. Phlox knows humans have very different mating practices than Denobulans. Yet he tells Trip that he's "too concerned with human morality." At that moment, Phlox doesn't care if he offends him.
Besides, who are those "many more" you're talking about?
Besides, who are those "many more" you're talking about?
Memory Alpha said:
In Star Trek, every race's forehead may be different, but genitals are universal.
Okay, first off he played by a excellent actor. The character is well written, one of the two best written characters on the show (Trip's the other one). Phlox is well rounds, friendly, interesting, has a coherent backstory, has no longing to "become Human."
YMMV.
Archer's the commanding officer, all Phlox did was give his opinion after Archer asked him for it. There was no manipulation at any point.
Trip: "Thank you for the compliment."
That explains a lot.
While one can debate the ethics of withholding a cure to a disease ravaging a race, doing so is not "genocide." Genocide means actively eradicating a race of people, standing back and doing nothing is not actively eradicating them. Or do you think someone who stands by and watches a murder when they were in a position to stop the murderer is themselves a murderer?
Funny you should ask that. That's the question in recent articles about this case of a man on death row:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...who_didn_t_kill_anyone_set_for_execution.html
So this thread just became topical then? My work here is done.
Archer was all set to help these people, without Phlox' stupid theories he would have. I blame Archer for his weakness as a leader, but mostly I blame Phlox for his passive aggressive fascism in this episode.
It sounds the "explore humanity" character will be the lead in Discovery-- it's been said that she must learn to understand herself to understand the aliens that will be in the show.
But, as others have pointed out, the alien-perspective characters have not always wanted to be human or explore their potential humanity. Spock was there to comment as an outsider, usually critically. Data wanted to be human, but he was created to be the anti-Spock. Odo was more like an angrier Spock and Dax was a benign observer. Neelix had a sort of amateur anthropological interest in humanity, while the Doctor simply wanted to live up to his potential-- or exceed his limitations (he was basically the bicycle tire in the trunk who found out that he had to make it across the country). Seven explored her humanity with varying degrees of reluctance. Phlox was delighted with humanity as a cultural curiosity and for T'Pol human emotions were something of a forbidden fetish. It's pretty much run the gamut.
But, as others have pointed out, the alien-perspective characters have not always wanted to be human or explore their potential humanity. Spock was there to comment as an outsider, usually critically. Data wanted to be human, but he was created to be the anti-Spock. Odo was more like an angrier Spock and Dax was a benign observer. Neelix had a sort of amateur anthropological interest in humanity, while the Doctor simply wanted to live up to his potential-- or exceed his limitations (he was basically the bicycle tire in the trunk who found out that he had to make it across the country). Seven explored her humanity with varying degrees of reluctance. Phlox was delighted with humanity as a cultural curiosity and for T'Pol human emotions were something of a forbidden fetish. It's pretty much run the gamut.
Was definitely an partner in the criminal act, by his own choosing. It's not like he was just walking by.
Which topic? The original or the genocide tangent?
Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
It's called a opposing viewpoint, there's a reason Archer sought out Phlox's council, which is what a good leader does prior to making a important decision. Archer as the leader could have thanked Phlox for his views, but not incorperated them into his ultimate decision.
Let's face it, when Archer made decisions entirely on his own they weren't very good ones.
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