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Does Discovery Need a "Explore What It Means to Be Human" Character???!

Hmm. . .what does it mean to be human?

Showering often helps. <interesting Star Trek>

Making up fictions about our history and explaining difficult concepts by inserting gods into the process. <bad Star Trek (or bad anything)>

Exploring what's over the next hill and fighting wars. <good Star Trek>
 
I want a minimum of two (but preferably way more) aliens that have no desire to become human or adopt human customs in any way. If the writers want to use these characters to comment on the human condition then that's fine but do so by contrasting the aliens to humans. I'm tired of the idea that humans are so much better than everyone else that everyone should want to become just like us.
 
I'd like to see characters not like us who prefer to stay not like us.

Who serve in Starfleet on the shared values of peace and discovery but are proud of who they are and have no wish to conform. Maybe even have some role reversal and have a human character trying to be more like them. Like a reversal of the cultural vanity of Data's Pinnochio complex.
 
No. They should be striving to be happy as they are, what the hell is so special about being human in a universe full of hundreds of species? why not one species striving to be another that doesn't involve humanity?
 
Yeah, Spock got to be less of a basket case about his own identity in ST:TMP, but he was still who he'd always been - he was never terribly curious about the so-called "human condition" nor did he expend a lot of energy trying to understand human beings. He rather marveled at our peculiarities and shortcomings but always thought he knew it all. That's why McCoy could annoy him so.

:techman:I'd go as far as to say T'Pol was a lot more curious about the human condition than Spock, despite her initial arrogance. Long before she was telling humans they weren't ready for blablabla, she sneaked out to go to a jazz club. It's clearly experimenting with human emotion (though I'm not sure if it's the same as wanting to BE human). It seems tame by our standards but among Vulcans, she's a freakin wild child.

Now Spock didn't feel the same need to experiment because:

a) he has a human parent
b) he had a more balanced upbringing. Sarek might have been a blowhard dad but Amanda was there to temper the effect.

T'Pol had a strict mother but her father died young. As a rough analogy, she's like the human college student with strict parents who goes crazy after leaving home when she gets to Earth.
 
I do not think it needs it. I think you forgot the doctor from voyager as well. While not a "human" he was the same type of character, one who grew and learned what he was as the show went on.
Plus T'Pol who was becoming more human as the series went on. Weeping, even hugging in the end (something we never see the Vulcans do).
 
A side note about the inevitable "fish out of water" character...I would like to see this character be one that ages somewhat normally, or...well...at all, even. If the series is a success, aka TNG which went into the movies, or 7+ seasons like DS9/VOY, it becomes harder for us to really suspend our disbelief that said character doesn't age. Data, The Doctor, even Odo, I suppose (although makeup effects cure some ills there). Spock was really only ears/eyebrows/haircut, but still maintained a superb and supreme "alien-ness", and even one that ages slower and such, making him accessible to the TNG timelines. It would be nice to see them not paint themselves into a corner with a character that is hypothetically the same throughout. It puts a lot of pressure on an actor to maintain that sameness when the body starts to fail them. Nimoy could plausibly play Spock (and did) right until his final moment on this Earth, and we are all better for it as fans and viewers. All the talk about Spiner coming back really rings hollow to me, because, even if he did attempt a Data cameo of some kind, would we truly accept it, or just comment about how he's too old to do it anymore. Pretty much any other Trek actor could continue their established roles across series lines even now, and we could accept it...age, weight gain, going gray, all of it makes sense to us because they are meant to age. Bringing back some of the most unique characters from the various series now, on the other hand, is pretty tough decades later. Let's see a creatively written alien/special abilities/whatever type character that does not need to rely on the "never changes/ages" thing. I think it ultimately hurts instead of helps.
 
Characters like Spock, Data and Odo were always very important characters to me, but the importance to me of that type of character waned with The Doctor. While he did have some moments his overall arc served to show that character type style had been mined out. I was thankful Enterprise didn't try it again.

IF Discovery can bring the character style back in new refreshing ways then fine, I am all in. But if it is the Doctor 2.0 they are planning, I'd rather they skip it.
 
Re those Humans who want to be alien - in VOY there`s Lyndsay Ballard who chose her alien life over her human one and The Doctor`s (``Kenneth``)`s son ``Jeffrey`` who wants to be Klingon. In TNG, there`s Jono aka Jeremiah Rossa.
 
Unless it's a good character I feel that "character" is overplayed. I won't mind it if it just happens to BE one of the really good characters, but I hate it if they would just place some stupid ill thought out haracter there "just to explore humanity".

Data, Odo and Spock are great examples of good characters. Neelix, plox, the doctor made me want to barf.
 
I don't recall Neelix especially wanting to "be Human." If anything he had more of a fasination with the ship's senior Vulcan than any of the Humans.

Phlox also seemed quite happy being himself.
 
Unless it's a good character I feel that "character" is overplayed. I won't mind it if it just happens to BE one of the really good characters, but I hate it if they would just place some stupid ill thought out haracter there "just to explore humanity".

Data, Odo and Spock are great examples of good characters. Neelix, plox, the doctor made me want to barf.

Phlox is the most balanced character when it comes to culture. He's extremely curious about humans and encourages T'Pol to embrace IDIC. That's not the same thing as wanting to BE human. At the same time, if people think he and his Denobulan ways are weird, he doesn't care.
 
Sure phlox is balanced, a bit genocidal at times, but otherwise balanced.

:wtf:I'm not sure what this has to do with anything I said. My main point that that he enthusiastically explored other cultures but as Tenacity said, he was happy to be himself. He was the best at embracing IDIC while (easily) maintaining his Denubulan identity.
 
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