I could go back and forth with this, but what’s the point? You’re clearly smarter than a Skydance studio executive.
I feel like a Star Trek reboot is going to go about as well as when Discovery rebooted the Klingons. They could've just made up their own race that looked like that, no one would've cared. But they wanted to make them THE Klingons, and fans responded with "but they're not the Klingons". Meanwhile new viewers were looking at what was going on, thinking "Wow, fans think that new Discovery series is rubbish, I think I'll skip it".
A reboot will never help Star Trek, because it's just giving the existing content an unwanted makeover and giving contradictory lore.
What Star Trek really needs, in my opinion, is a series that says "Let's see what's out there" instead of reexamining the Federation or reinventing the Klingons. Just take the spaceship and go somewhere else!
So, what we have now with CBS Trek?
Both the Federation and Klingons are touchstones of the Star Trek universe, they will never go anywhere. I mean, that was the whole point of Voyager and we had Romulans in the fourth or fifth episode.
That was literally Matalas' pitch. They'd no misinterpreting if that's the stated goal.
Are people happy with what we have now? Is it helping?
I don't want them to go anywhere, I want the ship to go somewhere! Or to be more accurate, if the writers want to imagine something new, I want it to be something actually new, I don't want them to label their new creation 'Klingon' in order to take advantage of Trek's cultural impact while ignoring Trek's actual content.
600 of those replies are me whining.
If one does a new Star Trek doing the TNG from TOS thing and go the 26th century, new ship (not named ENTERPRISE) and a new crew. New planets, stars, weird aliens since technology can allow that.
There's been five different series, so clearly someone is watching them.
The trick isn't to get rid of Klingons or anything else Trek-related, it is how to utilize them in new and different ways. Not to just keep beating the dead horse over and over again.
I think you have to have the Enterprise, I think it is a central part of the lore. I kinda wished they had made Final Frontier.
Cancelled Before It Began: Star Trek Final Frontier
Why did the Star Trek Final Frontier animated series never happen? Will it get revived? Are any episodes available for streaming?
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Irksome but I concede you're probably right.I think you have to have the Enterprise, I think it is a central part of the lore. I kinda wished they had made Final Frontier.
Cancelled Before It Began: Star Trek Final Frontier
Why did the Star Trek Final Frontier animated series never happen? Will it get revived? Are any episodes available for streaming?
I am.
It's 2026 and people are still complaining about Discovery's Klingons.
TMP reinvented the look of the Klingons. TNG reinvented the culture of the Klingons. DS9's Trills aren't TNG's Trills. Almost none of what came after "Q Who" was faithful to what that episode established about the Borg, who had no interest in assimilating other species, just their technology, who reproduced biologically in the form of babies, and who were so far away from Earth that without Q's intervention no human would encounter them for decades. What Discovery did has plenty of precedent in Star Trek.
And people can complain about those if they want.
There's plenty of things that have precedent in Trek that I personally would not want to happen again.
And people can complain about those if they want.
It does seem to happen occasionally.
Absolutely. The problem is, there are a few million different ideas of which things those are, and a lot of people who are perfectly happy if thing X happens in show Y but hate it if it happens in show Z. There's no one true fannish consensus on any of this stuff.
They're a cautionary tale.
Leonardo da gimli would tell them they need to seek out a greater imagination
What I learned from DISCOVERY is that the world of Star Trek matters far more to many than the stories or the characters.
And I see many feeling vindicated around the Klingon change back which is the ultimate cowardice. Instead of adapting, and reworking and getting actually creative the artists opted to not. And, in so doing, rewarded outspoken opinions. It's deeply frustrating because the new will not come now.
Might go so far as to say that the Berman era Klingons matter more for many than anything else. The Borg get retconned on an annual basis, no problem. Enterprise tells us that Vulcan society changed drastically in the lifetime of some of the characters from TOS, though in TOS Vulcans come across as a society with long-unchanged traditions, no problem. The Klingons, though... we needed a big fanwank explanation in Enterprise as to why their looks changed (but not why their culture changed), and no other alteration can be considered.
You care about story AND characters, but it's weird to care about the story, characters AND world?
You got Kelpians, aren't they new?
And what's wrong with rewarding my opinions? Also why do you even care? It's got nothing to do with story or characters.
No. What seemed weird to me was opinions that insisted the characters and story were lesser because of the world building.
Probably because discussing Discovery ends up with slang around the "Kling-Orcs" or other such commentary, so that story and characters become secondary or tertiary concerns in discussion.
More than that, to me, is the idea that there's no creativity left in engaging with art. Instead of coming up with explanations or ideas around working with it, the changed things are held at arms length and treated as lesser.
If that occurred during TMP we wouldn't get attempts at creativity with RPGS with Klingon fusions, or different ideas around smooth headed and various bumps and patterns.
Why do I care? Because I enjoy talking Trek and understanding different perspectives.
