Does Anyone Else NOT Want Shatner in the Film?

[Trevok]

I don't mind either way, but not just for the sake of pleasing fans, or Shat's ego.
I'm a Shat fan but unlike many I felt his death in Generations was important since he told Spock he knew he would die alone.
If he was featured before Generations I'd be fine with that, but I hate the idea of him becoming reserected!

 

[nostradamus]

It wasn´t a prediction, it was a guess.

As I dont have the time to frequently check out yet another Trek forum, I dont know about what´s going on over there.

So I presume this is the place for the anti-Shatner fraction and trekmovie is the place for the nostaglia people.

I should check it out.

Maybe there isn´t so much negativity about Shatner there aka "I´d rather not see him", "... shoehorned in" ... "he is old", "he is fat", "he wears a whig", "he is greedy" ... aaarrgh !!!

 

[number6]

This is also the anti-Trek place, the place where anything made after 1968 sucks and no one should ever do TOS, because it would rape everyone's childhood and everything anyone tries to produce will fail.

 

[Chris_Moderato]

That might be a bit extreme, Number6. Might...

 

[nostradamus]

Number6 said:
This is also the anti-Trek place, the place where anything made after 1968 sucks and no one should ever do TOS, because it would rape everyone's childhood and everything anyone tries to produce will fail.

Maybe the trick is that many Star Trek fans love to hate it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Number6 said:
This is also the anti-Trek place, the place where anything made after 1968 sucks and no one should ever do TOS, because it would rape everyone's childhood and everything anyone tries to produce will fail.

Wait, so every TrekBBS member is a dual of Warped9?

 

[DarthPipes]

I'd like to see Shatner in there but it's in no way a dealbreaker to me. Shatner returning to Star Trek is not going to save the franchise. The franchise has to move on at some point.

 

[number6]

Lord Garth said:

Number6 said:
This is also the anti-Trek place, the place where anything made after 1968 sucks and no one should ever do TOS, because it would rape everyone's childhood and everything anyone tries to produce will fail.

Wait, so every TrekBBS member is a dual of Warped9?

It sure seems that way some days!!

 

[ancient]

Number6 said:
This is also the anti-Trek place, the place where anything made after 1968 sucks and no one should ever do TOS, because it would rape everyone's childhood and everything anyone tries to produce will fail.

Honestly, I think you should just deal with the fact that some people are old school fans exclusively. And by some, I mean about 3 people here. Why do they stress you so much? I don't think it's necessary to be on their case constantly.

 

[Jon1701]

As others have remarked, I dont want Shatner in the movie if they have to literally shove him in. Seems a script has been written without him because:

i) Kirk is Dead.
ii) Shatner asked for too much money.

For whatever reason, it was decided that this Star Trek film would not feature William Shatner. This was probably a while ago. If he was onboard, they would/could have gotten around it somehow. They would have focused on Kirk & Spock, not just Spock. You're not telling me they've only just found out he want's to do it. Sorry, not buying it.

Its too late now, Bill.

 

[RookieBatman]

jon1701 said:
As others have remarked, I dont want Shatner in the movie if they have to literally shove him in. Seems a script has been written without him because:

i) Kirk is Dead.
ii) Shatner asked for too much money.

For whatever reason, it was decided that this Star Trek film would not feature William Shatner. This was probably a while ago. If he was onboard, they would/could have gotten around it somehow. They would have focused on Kirk & Spock, not just Spock. You're not telling me they've only just found out he want's to do it. Sorry, not buying it.

Its too late now, Bill.

Apparently, you didn't hear what Abrams said at ComicCon, because that was completely the opposite of what you're saying. First, Abrams is specifically not going to "shove him in" and second, he is still looking for a way to get him in the movie. Just because they have a script doesn't mean everything's set in stone. Movie scripts get rewritten all the time. It's part of the process.

 

[nostradamus]

RookieBatman said:

jon1701 said:
As others have remarked, I dont want Shatner in the movie if they have to literally shove him in. Seems a script has been written without him because:

i) Kirk is Dead.
ii) Shatner asked for too much money.

For whatever reason, it was decided that this Star Trek film would not feature William Shatner. This was probably a while ago. If he was onboard, they would/could have gotten around it somehow. They would have focused on Kirk & Spock, not just Spock. You're not telling me they've only just found out he want's to do it. Sorry, not buying it.

Its too late now, Bill.

Apparently, you didn't hear what Abrams said at ComicCon, because that was completely the opposite of what you're saying. First, Abrams is specifically not going to "shove him in" and second, he is still looking for a way to get him in the movie. Just because they have a script doesn't mean everything's set in stone. Movie scripts get rewritten all the time. It's part of the process.

Or maybe Abrams was just trying to be diplomatic.

He did not want to say NO because that would have overshadowed the fans feelings in a moment when Abrams declared that Nimoy would be back.

For me the notion that "he is still trying to find a way" spelled a definite NO - sad but true.

Remember: These movie people are similar to politicians at times, professional liars.

 

[Jon1701]

I heard every word. You are missing the point.

They have been writing this thing for over a year. If Shatner had said he was up for doing it, they would have put him in the script before now. For whatever reason, Shatner turned this movie down. Or it couldnt be worked out. One or the other. Now, it seems he wants back in. I have no problem with this, although if he does appear the script now has to be rewritten to accomodate him.

Remember, it was Shatner who leaked that he wasnt in the script. He put the video up of the radio interview (where he mentioned that Nimoy had read it and Shatner wasnt in it) on his own website!!! But if Shatner had really wanted to be in this movie (and he could have been - I'm sure of that) he would be. They wouldnt have to try and rewrite the thing. He would be already in. The script may have been totally different, but he would still be in.

Why are we suddenly making changes? Personally, I doubt he will be in, the only reason Abrams felt a reason to address it at all was that Shatner has been going round saying he is disappointed. He didnt want any potential backlash from the fans. As I said in my earlier post - if he wanted to be in the film - he should have said so before they started writing it.

They would have put him in. Dead or not. If they put him in now, it proves that he could have been in it all along...

 

[RookieBatman]

jon1701 said:
I heard every word. You are missing the point.

They have been writing this thing for over a year. If Shatner had said he was up for doing it, they would have put him in the script before now. For whatever reason, Shatner turned this movie down. Or it couldnt be worked out. One or the other. Now, it seems he wants back in. I have no problem with this, although if he does appear the script now has to be rewritten to accomodate him.

Remember, it was Shatner who leaked that he wasnt in the script. He put the video up of the radio interview (where he mentioned that Nimoy had read it and Shatner wasnt in it) on his own website!!! But if Shatner had really wanted to be in this movie (and he could have been - I'm sure of that) he would be. They wouldnt have to try and rewrite the thing. He would be already in. The script may have been totally different, but he would still be in.

Why are we suddenly making changes? Personally, I doubt he will be in, the only reason Abrams felt a reason to address it at all was that Shatner has been going round saying he is disappointed. He didnt want any potential backlash from the fans. As I said in my earlier post - if he wanted to be in the film - he should have said so before they started writing it.

They would have put him in. Dead or not. If they put him in now, it proves that he could have been in it all along...

We're just gonna have to disagree on this one. I'm not gonna try to debate what you said, because I think it's just a fundamental difference of opinion. Agree to disagree.

 

[Maab of the Ten Tribes]

I want to see the Shat. I dont see how they could work it into the story being that he died in the nexus though.

 

[Franklin]

-- One the one hand, if they wanted Shatner and he's not in just because he asked for too much money or made unreasonable demands, he's a fool unto himself. It'd be a sad reason to have him out of it.
-- On the other hand, if the story honestly doesn't need him, then why try to force him in now? In some ways, wouldn't that be an admission that the writers and producers made a strategic error by not concocting a story that used both Nimoy and Shatner from the beginning? Isn't is backpeddling? Hey, we better get Shat in there too, just to cover all bases.
If they're confident they have written a good story without needing to work in Shatner as Kirk, then OK. Leave him out.
As much as I'm Kirk-centric in my enjoyment of TOS, I'm mature enough (mostly) to be ready to enjoy the movie without a gratuitous Shatner on-screen valentine. After all, KIRK is in it.

 

[seigezunt]

^^ I agree. There's a certain irony to all of this, since TOS started out, it could be argued, all about The Captain and from his POV, but people really warmed to Spock.

 

[RookieBatman]

Franklin said:
-- On the other hand, if the story honestly doesn't need him, then why try to force him in now? In some ways, wouldn't that be an admission that the writers and producers made a strategic error by not concocting a story that used both Nimoy and Shatner from the beginning? Isn't is backpeddling? Hey, we better get Shat in there too, just to cover all bases.

What would be wrong with such an admission? Like I've said before on this thread, movie scripts go through rewrites all the time, because the creators are constantly trying to improve and refine their product. We shouldn't demand that they make their first script perfect and stick to it, because that removes their opportunity to make it even better. Early scripts of both "Batman" and "Batman Returns" introduced Robin (or at least Dick Grayson), but that element of the movie was later taken out of both. While I'm sure there are some Robin fans who would've liked him to stay in, I think most people really liked the eventual finished products in both cases, which came as a result of continually refining the product, even to the extent of changing major elements of it.
It seems like some people here have the opinion that if Shatner is written into the movie, it'll somehow be saying that the writers don't know what they're doing. I just don't see that. It's merely an admission that they aren't infallible, which, as we all know, nobody is.

 

[Barbados Slim]

I'd rather Shatner not be in the film. I'm already a bit disappointed that Nimoy is in it. It's not that I hate them or anything, I just want to see the freshest, newest differentest Trek possible and a restart of the original with new faces is the best way to handle that.

They said their goodbyes in The Undiscovered Country and it was a classy exit, so I hate it when Shatner pops back in during Generations and Nimoy came back on TNG. It's like that coworker you really liked who left the company but keeps coming around the office.

 

[RookieBatman]

lancemach said:
They said their goodbyes in The Undiscovered Country and it was a classy exit, so I hate it when Shatner pops back in during Generations and Nimoy came back on TNG. It's like that coworker you really liked who left the company but keeps coming around the office.

Interesting analogy. Out of the few times that I've had coworkers leave the company, I'm always very happy when I see them around again.