And a great many fans and critics disagree with those fans and critics. So what? Besides, the masses are easily pleased.
Doctor Who S7 Wishlist
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And a great many fans and critics disagree with those fans and critics. So what? Besides, the masses are easily pleased.
But so what, since when have you had to watch every episode of Who to 'understand' it!? I watch to see the Doctor and his companion(s) land somewhere new each week/story not for half the episodes to just be a backdrop while Moffat told his increasingly half arsed arc plot. The RTD era may have been mixed in quality but at least you got something new most weeks so even if you didn't like one thing there was still a good chance next week would work for you. With Moffat there were 5 arc episodes I had no real interest in, though some were better than others, and then on top of that there were the variable quality of the non Moffat episodes.
If you like the arc plot then fine but if you don't you end up pretty much excluded from the series in a way I have never felt from Who before. I never got the excitement over the meaning of Bad Wolf either but at least it never got in the way of the individual stories.
Agreed. S6 was so arc-oriented I feel lost revisiting individual episodes of the season. And I also didn't really *like* the arc plot in the first place - most won't when you have the main character's death hanging over you the whole time. I didn't like the "the Doctor WILL DIE!!!" thing that took TWO YEARS to see through with Tennant, and I didn't like it here.
For next year, I want to see new. New companion, new monsters, less reliance on what's past. The Ponds were great, I want to remember them that way. We've explained River, I'm good with it, let's move on. Pretty much all the old monsters took a year off this year except in cameos, let's keep that up or make an unseen old monster return for something BIG, but which won't destroy the ENTIRE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT. AGAIN.
Mark
For next year, I want to see new. New companion, new monsters, less reliance on what's past. The Ponds were great, I want to remember them that way. We've explained River, I'm good with it, let's move on. Pretty much all the old monsters took a year off this year except in cameos, let's keep that up or make an unseen old monster return for something BIG, but which won't destroy the ENTIRE UNIVERSE AS WE KNOW IT. AGAIN.
Mark
I have to agree. The arc basically fell apart when we found out the arc was all about River. When it was about they mystery of the Doctor's death and Amy's missing baby, it was damn compelling. River basically ruined "Let's kill Hitler" and I absolutely hated the ugly cynicism of "A Good Man goes to War" (RTD did a better job of humbling the Doctor than the Moff did). I won't even discuss the whole River worship that was "The Marriage of River Song".
The fact that the Moff isn't doing two-parters and not having an arc seems to imply that he's going to have less creative input.
While I generally like Moffats work, I wonder if perhaps his Who stories were better because he had RTD peeking over his shoulder to offer suggestions and maybe even tweek his scripts.
It boggles my mind how his Sherlock stories can be so brilliant, and his DW so meh.
I actually have high hopes for S7 though, just because there won't be an arc. The show will have to concentrate on telling good stories rather than havign to fit into some convoluted season long plot thread.
As for what I want to see next season?
* Give the Ponds a break. They've been through so much crap the last two years, they deserve a happy ending.
* A move back to stories involving helping people in trouble rather than just getting himself and the Ponds out of sticky situations.
* A little less goofiness on Elevens part.
* If we're going to have River back, could we at least start making her more sympathetic? Right now its hard to believe the Doctor would ever have any interest in her, much less celebrate her birthdays, go to her for comforting, etc.
It boggles my mind how his Sherlock stories can be so brilliant, and his DW so meh.
I actually have high hopes for S7 though, just because there won't be an arc. The show will have to concentrate on telling good stories rather than havign to fit into some convoluted season long plot thread.
As for what I want to see next season?
* Give the Ponds a break. They've been through so much crap the last two years, they deserve a happy ending.
* A move back to stories involving helping people in trouble rather than just getting himself and the Ponds out of sticky situations.
* A little less goofiness on Elevens part.
* If we're going to have River back, could we at least start making her more sympathetic? Right now its hard to believe the Doctor would ever have any interest in her, much less celebrate her birthdays, go to her for comforting, etc.
It's probably the work load of running two series and dealing with all the production problems, scheduling and budget cuts. I personally don't think it was RTD but Julie Gardner (and Phil Colinson) who ran the day to day operation that probably allowed Moffat to write good stories.
Plus Moffat is basically a hired gun not an overzealous fan like RTD.
Moffat's not an overzealous fan!?
From the interviews it's clear that Moffat likes Doctor Who, but RTD is a huge uber-geek superfan. RTD seems to know every obscure reference when it comes to Doctor Who including the novels. Though Moffat and RTD are about the same in level of competence, RTD seemed far more passionate about Doctor Who. It's probably why RTD and Tennant got along so great, they're huge fans.
I think his zeal is at about the right level.
I think his zeal is at about the right level.
I have to agree that as much as I loved RTD's enthusiasm, he sometime went overboard and it really blindsided him. Also the whole Time War/Last of the Timelords/All Daleks are destroyed unless they aren't was too restrictive. It would have been better if there was just a continuing normal war between Daleks and Timelords that the Doctor just got fed up with. Moffat on the other hand seems to want to create his own unique Doctor Who universe with River, the Silence, multicolored Big Daleks and the Weeping Angels but it's really not that compelling (especially River). It's also not a good sign when you keep upping the stakes. RTD kept threatening the Earth, while Moffat keeps threatening the Universe.
Yeah it's very possible that with all the budget cuts, Moffat felt that he needed to make his storytelling a lot more inventive and complex to make up for it.
The show certainly looks more expensive than it ever has. At least to my eyes.
When was it said we're not having story arcs? I know Moffat has told us there will be no two-parters, but I've heard nothing about story arcs. No indication there will be, but no indication there won't be either.
Or has something firm been said about arcs? Anyone got links?
the asshole move here is to not make two parters but three parters.
That way he can write who liuke he writes Sherlock.
Hells, they'd even be able to cut these three part episodes for theatrical release, not that the public will stomach TV in movie theatres any more. It's not the 80s.
meh.
That way he can write who liuke he writes Sherlock.
Hells, they'd even be able to cut these three part episodes for theatrical release, not that the public will stomach TV in movie theatres any more. It's not the 80s.
meh.
If the next series is the last for Eleven and the Ponds, I would like to see proper closure on what made the Tardis blow up during his first series, and have a final confrontation with the Dream Lord. I do not want to see more Daleks and Cybermen.
The Master should be saved for the anniversary in 2013 but has to be written good.
The Master should be saved for the anniversary in 2013 but has to be written good.
Yeah I definitely hope we get to see the Master take on this Doctor at some point. Should be very... unpredictable.
I'm wondering how the Doctor's relationship with the Master and the other Time Lords would be addressed if they returned, given that 200 or so years have now seemingly passed from the Doctor's point of view. Would he now be 200 years older than the Master, or would the same amount of tie have passed for them? If so, then ŵhat have they been up to? Conversely, has the Doctor in those couple of centuries produced a new Time Lord society or something similar? Did he become the patriarch of a new family? Was he catching up on some much-needed sleep? I'd like to see season seven address a few of these points, I think, even if only in passing.
Now that he's supposed to be dead to the universe, I want to see more secret names!
The Caretaker was meh.
The Medic?
The Minister?
The Guard?
The Plumber!
The Caretaker was meh.
The Medic?
The Minister?
The Guard?
The Plumber!
you just named his four best mates at Time Lord school after The Master, the Monk, the Rani and the War Chief...
I for one do not believe we should have the Master back unless some serious reworking is done in terms of character and how he was played the last two times in 2007 and 2009-2010. The Master needs to be far more serious than John Simm's version was written to be.
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