Doctor Who – The 11th Hour (5x01) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS) UK

[Tom]

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Regarding the timeline, when the Doctor is on the roof he asks the Attraczi if the world is protected we are then shown recent enemies who have, tryed to take over earth including the Daleks, Cybermen, Racnoss, Sontarans, etc.. this would prove that is was at least after Poison Sky and definetly after Runaway bride. then the doctors goes 2 years ahead, so I'm thinking Amy joins up with him in 2011.

 

[Samurai8472]

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I was actually a bit surprised at hearing the Doctor say 'hell' while he was gathering clothes. Guess I'm still not used to hearing him curse. Even such a minor one.

Ten said "hell" once or twice

 

[Sci]

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She runs away with a man over whom she's been obsessed her entire life the night before her wedding to a man she was reluctant to even acknowledge as her boyfriend, and you're gonna tell me you don't think she has feelings for him?

C'mon, man.

to be honest I am worried about Amy Ponds mental state, and im wondering if the Doctor who feels responsible will drop her off and then go back in time, to correct the damage he did by not coming back.

I think that's a very valid point -- Amy obviously has strong feelings for the Doctor, but it's questionable whether or not that's a healthy thing. This could be a fundamentally unhealthy infatuation.

But I think that the Doctor cannot cross back into his and Amy's timelines to correct that 12-year-overshot; he probably has to stay relative to Amy within the causual nexus (as he did with the Master in "The End of Time") lest giant goblins descend to eat everyone again a la "Father's Day."

to be honest I am worried about Amy Ponds mental state, and im wondering if the Doctor who feels responsible will drop her off and then go back in time, to correct the damage he did by not coming back.

I thought he tried that- the TARDIS rematerialized in front of little Amelia at the end of the episode...

I think that that was a dream Amy was having, actually.

The Doctor inadvertently told us why Amy is fascinated with her; he's her faerie tale. She's there for the love of adventure and escapism. Hell, that's probably why she began doing kiss-a-grams -- it allowed her to fulfill some of her fantasies and dreams, even if compromises had to be made. She's in love with the idea of the Doctor and what he does, not the Doctor himself.

And, of course, her adventures with the Doctor will teach her why living a real life is more important than living in a fantasy world, and she'll probably wind up marrying Rory at the end of her companionship. In effect she'll have been allowed to fulfill her most fondest wish as if it were just a daydream, then continue on with her life all the wiser for it after he drops her off the day before her wedding... just like he promised. All exactly as if it were a real faerie tale.

That would indeed be a very good, very valid way of doing things.

But I do kinda hope that Moffat goes in a slightly less predictable route.

 

[Australis]

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We don't know it's Rory she's marrying. Frankly, I'd be surprised.

Even though we don't get Who officially for 2 more weeks, the local news picked it up:

Matt Smith, the unknown British actor who has stepped into the Tardis as the new Doctor Who, has received rave reviews by TV critics after making his screen debut.
Fans of the long-running BBC sci-fi show tuned in on Saturday night to see whether the 27-year-old could fill the shoes of the enormously popular David Tennant.
Based on the first round of reviews published in Britain's Sunday newspapers, Smith has been given a resounding vote of confidence.

linky dink: http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/05/2864086.htm

I think unknown is a little harsh, as the same station has shown 'Ruby In The Smoke' and 'Party Animals'

Thought for today. Everyone's getting themselves in a knot over Amy and her sexuality. Look at it this way.

Rose was pretty but never sexual. Martha was romantic, but never sexual. Donna was rarely sexual, just seeing the Doctor as a friend, but knew what she liked. Amy is something different: a woman who has had sex (more than a lot of the fanboi males watching, as the cliché goes ) and enjoys it, and is not beholden to romantic tropes (unlike, say, RTD). We can see that in some women in a number of comedies and dramas today, even ones that kids watch. It's not terribly overt, will pass over the heads of nearly all little kids, will give teen boys something to go "Phwoooaaarrr" over, give teen girls a role model, and something adults can nod their heads over, with a wry smile (at least, that's what I was doing). Bluntly, Amy isn't a romantic as such, but does like being sexual. Well, that's my take on it.

Damn Moffat and his straight agenda!!

 

[Sci]

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Rose was pretty but never sexual. Martha was romantic, but never sexual. Donna was rarely sexual, jut seeing the Doctor as a friend, but knew what she liked. Amy is something different: a woman who has had sex

Actually, you might recall from "Rose" that Rose had run away from home with a guy when she was 16 or 17, and therefore never finished secondary school. The implication is that she has almost certainly had sex before, and probably at an unhealthily early age.

 

[Australis]

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Oh, Rose has probably been there and done that (and Martha, and Donna) I never thought she was a virgin, but she never really struck me as a sexual being, as the psychologists like to say. Amy is different that way.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Rose was both romantic and positively absolutely sexual in her feelings about the Doctor, which were clearly eventually mutual. She also deeply admired the Doctor as a noble individual.

Amy is starting out pretty much the same, except more frankly sexual - the primary difference, so far, between Moffat's approach to the characters and Davies'.

I've been hearing the 'Amy's a stripper' thing way too much.

Fine, Amy is a child-friendly stripper.

And, of course, her adventures with the Doctor will teach her why living a real life is more important than living in a fantasy world, and she'll probably wind up marrying Rory at the end of her companionship.

If a show this witty stoops to such middle-class homilies a light will have gone out in the Universe.

 

[Australis]

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Hm, maybe Rose and Martha were romance first, Amy is sex first.

Wayhay!!

 

[Brent]

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All this talk about Romance, Sex and Love yadda yadda, I really don't want to see any of this as it relates to the Doctor. Personally, I'd rather see him be a father figure to these companions, at the most, and at the least, a friend. That's it. Period.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

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I really REALLY hate that new opening, the visuals are so awful I didn't even notice how bad the music was that everyone was saying. I mean thunderclouds? That's the best you could come up with? Rubbish...

The good news is I really liked everything else, Matt Smith seems like a good Doctor, and all indications suggest Karen Gillan will be enjoyable as Amy. The alien plot might not have been the greatest, though it was servicable, but all the trappings were great. As an introduction to the Doctor and to Amy I thought it was quite good.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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All this talk about Romance, Sex and Love yadda yadda, I really don't want to see any of this as it relates to the Doctor. Personally, I'd rather see him be a father figure to these companions, at the most, and at the least, a friend. That's it. Period.

I'd be dreadfully bored by that, but since it's not been the way that Davies and Moffat and the other writers have approached nuWho up until now I'm not particularly concerned.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

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I thought he tried that- the TARDIS rematerialized in front of little Amelia at the end of the episode...

I think that that was a dream Amy was having, actually.

The scene doesn't play as a dream. Dreams in television and film are signposted with awkward camera angles and surreal imagery. This scene isn't; it is shot and lighted and acted like the other 62 minutes of the episode. I think the scene is meant to be precisely what it appears to be (and what it plays as) -- the Doctor coming back for Amelia after she's sat outside the entire night waiting for him to return.

To be frank, the idea that the scene is a dream didn't occur to me until this morning, when I saw that people here and on GB were describing it as a dream. I understand the desire for it to be a dream -- if the Doctor goes back for Amelia, he's polluting his own timestream. And under RTD's rules, the Doctor isn't going to do that.

But we're under Moffat's rules. And Moffat has shown a willingness for the Doctor to pollute the timeline in the past. "Continuity Errors" -- the Doctor rewrites a librarian's entire history, just so he can check out a book. "The Girl in the Fireplace" -- the Doctor is entirely willing to take Madame de Pompedour out of time and wreck French history just because he can.

I genuinely believe that Moffat intended the audience to interpret the scene of Amelia, in the morning, sitting on her suitcase, and looking up when she hears the TARDIS' wheezing/groaning engines literally. There is absolutely no reason that Moffat's Doctor cannot go back for Amelia, no matter what the future says.

 

[Lindley]

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We'll have to wait and see about that. If it isn't revisited, then it was a dream. If it is....well, that'll answer that.

 

[Brent]

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All this talk about Romance, Sex and Love yadda yadda, I really don't want to see any of this as it relates to the Doctor. Personally, I'd rather see him be a father figure to these companions, at the most, and at the least, a friend. That's it. Period.

I'd be dreadfully bored by that, but since it's not been the way that Davies and Moffat and the other writers have approached nuWho up until now I'm not particularly concerned.

Well that is how the old series was, and I liked that dynamic better than all this romance love sex stuff with the Doctor.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

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I genuinely believe that Moffat intended the audience to interpret the scene of Amelia, in the morning, sitting on her suitcase, and looking up when she hears the TARDIS' wheezing/groaning engines literally. There is absolutely no reason that Moffat's Doctor cannot go back for Amelia, no matter what the future says.

Wouldn't that change Amy's whole past though? It would seem to me the only other way he could do that would be with two parallel Amy's, one that grew up with the Doctor not returning, and the one where the Doctor returned after five minutes.

 

[davejames]

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All this talk about Romance, Sex and Love yadda yadda, I really don't want to see any of this as it relates to the Doctor. Personally, I'd rather see him be a father figure to these companions, at the most, and at the least, a friend. That's it. Period.

I'd be dreadfully bored by that, but since it's not been the way that Davies and Moffat and the other writers have approached nuWho up until now I'm not particularly concerned.

Well that is how the old series was, and I liked that dynamic better than all this romance love sex stuff with the Doctor.

True, but personally I think that dynamic was pretty played out by the time the new series came around (and it continued somewhat through Eccleston).

Instead of just looking down on his companions all the time, it's nice to see him getting a little more emotionally involved in their lives now, and relating to them on a slightly more equal level (even if he's still clearly much wiser and more experienced than them).

 

[Samurai8472]

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A bit sad he's become part of history/apart of the growing line

Notice they used "The Family blood" shot here where he wore Elevenish type clothing.

 

[tomalak301]

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I was going to hold the fantastic until a few more episodes down the line, but I can't. That was honestly one of the most squee-worthy moments I think I've ever had with this show. I'm not sure if being a 25 year old guy makes that weird or not, but come on, a year with no Doctor Who other than specials and then we get that?

I absolutely had a blast with that episode. It felt so fun, and oh so Doctor Who. I thought maybe it would take me a while to get used to Smith, but honestly, he got better as the episode went on. I knew by the end (especially when he called back the alien ship) that I was watching the Doctor in his greatness. If this is how the Matt Smith era starts, I just wonder what it will be like in, say Matt Smith year two (How am I supposed to call these new seasons now. I think it will be MS-1 and MS-2 or something. ).

Amy/Amelia was great too. The younger version was surprisingly great and I liked Gillians performance here. I think she will take some time to get used to moreso than Smith will. Hopefully this relationship can be evolving naturally and they keep this kind of relationship instead of including love into it.

As for the theme, I've watched it twice, and I actually am starting to get used to it. I kind of liked the simplicity of the Tennant/Eccleston themes though, but the new effects are actually kinda cool. The new Tardis is great too, even though I really hope we can see that Swimming pool. I can definitely tell Moffet wanted a new spin on the Doctor (I actually wonder why they didn't mention the meaning of "Tardis" this time for newer viewers) and so far so good.

That trailer to the new season was awesome, but what was it the Doctor said at the end. The music was loud and I couldn't hear it.

Overall, this episode brought a big smile to my face. Doctor Who is back, and I can't wait to see how this season develops and the ride we're about to go on.

 

[Cutter John]

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So any of you old time fans let out a little squee at the coat rack by the door? You can barely see it in the episode, but its quite obvious if you watch the Confidential.

Oh, and I adore the little Groan-ometer on the console.

 

[Admiral_Young]

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The scene where the Atraxi is scanning the Doctor and displays the images of the previous Ten Doctors and then the Eleventh steps through Ten's image gave me goosebumps.