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Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

Grade The Stolen Earth


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here is yet another "No really, these are last survivors of the Time War" story,

Except they're not - these are *new* Daleks created from Davros' cells

But Davros survived. Davros and the Master. If the villains are smart enough to escape the Time War, that makes the Time Lords out to be pretty daft in comparison if the Doctor was the only one who survived. The more this goes on, the more silly the whole concept of the Doctor being the last Time Lord seems.

"Average" here. Not as good as last week, but much better than "Midnight." The complete and utter schlock of the running down the road scene made me want to throw up, or at the very least cut back on sickeningly sweet food for a while from fear of becoming diabetic. Rose being annoyed because she wasn't included in the network when she knew she'd been declared dead at the Battle of Canary Wharf? Why should a dead former companion be included in the network?

Loved the crossover elements. Absolutely loved them. As usual, Ianto FTW. Jack promising Gwen and Ianto that he'd be back this time. Loved the Sarah Jane bits up until she froze like a deer in headlights in front of two Daleks that she should have bloody well known were going to be watching the streets with a curfew in place. That was the only real :wtf: moment of her storyline for me.

And Harriet Jones. The perfect development for that character. Moffatt would be a fool to bring her back after that end. It would cheapen her actions. Although now it'll be interesting to see just how many pots Mr. Copper has his fingers in with the finances he had at his disposal when last we saw him. That's a nice new thread in the tapestry.

Martha is turning into a very interesting character. I think she could use a sense of whimsy from time to time, but it's good to see her becoming a fully-realized character after the back seats she took during her tenure as companion.

I liked it, but the drag effect of Rose's self-centeredness, and subsequent crap "Oh, you're back!!!!!!1!!! My loooooooooooooooooove!!!!!!!!!" running down the street (I hate that cliche so very, very, very, very much. It's so 'bad romance novel'.) just kept me from giving it anything above "Average".
 
Fantastic episode that seemed to mention everything in the series over the past few years. Can't believe that ending. I thought Rose was a gonner but then...wow..

It's gonna be a long long long week.
 
But Davros survived. Davros and the Master. If the villains are smart enough to escape the Time War, that makes the Time Lords out to be pretty daft in comparison if the Doctor was the only one who survived.
Except Davros didn't survive, not originally. He was rescued by Caan, after the Doctor let Caan slip through his fingers (twice!).

And Harriet Jones. The perfect development for that character. Moffatt would be a fool to bring her back after that end. It would cheapen her actions.
If she's actually dead. She should be, but the way it was shot certainly makes it look like they're trying to misdirect people into thinking she's dead when she isn't.
 
yeah, i thought Sly looked very Doctor-ish...

i thought "Dude, you ain't the Doctor no more...!"

Cool, im not the only one then. I thought id be the only one thinking that while typing earlier.

But again, why dress up in a 7th Doctor-ish get up with umbrella next to him wearing hat, coat, jumper? :wtf:

Unless he was interviewed while doing a convention, public appearence or just for a laugh turned up at BBC centre in full garb for the interview.





But Davros survived. Davros and the Master. If the villains are smart enough to escape the Time War, that makes the Time Lords out to be pretty daft in comparison if the Doctor was the only one who survived.
Except Davros didn't survive, not originally. He was rescued by Caan, after the Doctor let Caan slip through his fingers (twice!).

And Harriet Jones. The perfect development for that character. Moffatt would be a fool to bring her back after that end. It would cheapen her actions.
If she's actually dead. She should be, but the way it was shot certainly makes it look like they're trying to misdirect people into thinking she's dead when she isn't.

So, thats how she becomes the Harriet Jones Dalek.


Whod've thought, heh.

:lol:
 
I liked it, but the drag effect of Rose's self-centeredness, and subsequent crap "Oh, you're back!!!!!!1!!! My loooooooooooooooooove!!!!!!!!!" running down the street (I hate that cliche so very, very, very, very much. It's so 'bad romance novel'.) just kept me from giving it anything above "Average".

'Fraid I was yelling "Heathcliff!" "Kathy!" "Heathcliff" at that point. Just a tad too cliched even for me. ;)
 
So alien bees come here to get a semi legal leg over like in Thailand, or they come here to get semi legal babies like in Romania and Africa?

Because it can't just be about the honey.
 
I liked it, but the drag effect of Rose's self-centeredness, and subsequent crap "Oh, you're back!!!!!!1!!! My loooooooooooooooooove!!!!!!!!!" running down the street (I hate that cliche so very, very, very, very much. It's so 'bad romance novel'.) just kept me from giving it anything above "Average".

'Fraid I was yelling "Heathcliff!" "Kathy!" "Heathcliff" at that point. Just a tad too cliched even for me. ;)
Yeah, I wasn't keen on those bits either. But in the context of such an incredible episode's awesomeossity I can forgive RTD for the cheese.

:D
 
I liked it, but the drag effect of Rose's self-centeredness, and subsequent crap "Oh, you're back!!!!!!1!!! My loooooooooooooooooove!!!!!!!!!" running down the street (I hate that cliche so very, very, very, very much. It's so 'bad romance novel'.) just kept me from giving it anything above "Average".

'Fraid I was yelling "Heathcliff!" "Kathy!" "Heathcliff" at that point. Just a tad too cliched even for me. ;)
Yeah, I wasn't keen on those bits either. But in the context of such an incredible episode's awesomeossity I can forgive RTD for the cheese.

:D

Yeah, same here. As bad as Rose's "What about me?" moments were, they were very much in character for Rose, and the "reunion" scene was overly cliche, but I can live with it.
 
HOWEVER - going as far as to fake filming for the Xmas special to cover it up? Now THAT is ambitious, could it be this regeneration gets reset buttoned, or will thanks to his hand the Doctor regenerate into Tennant again, or even have the process interrupted?
this is why I tend to think the 10th Doctor is safe, if they hadnt had filmed that, then yeah all bets are off, but that filming makes me think we have not seen the last of the 10th Doctor


what is odd about the regeneration, is we only saw the regenerative engery, nothing about him seemed to be changing.
 
The Rose/Doctor reunion is intended to play on the cliche, of course- you think either "Aww, how sweet" or "Oh, dear, are they really doing that?", and then there's a Dalek. Lovely.
 
Anyone else notice the gun the general had seemed to be the same one he used on Dempsey and Makepeace?
 
HOWEVER - going as far as to fake filming for the Xmas special to cover it up? Now THAT is ambitious, could it be this regeneration gets reset buttoned, or will thanks to his hand the Doctor regenerate into Tennant again, or even have the process interrupted?
this is why I tend to think the 10th Doctor is safe, if they hadnt had filmed that, then yeah all bets are off, but that filming makes me think we have not seen the last of the 10th Doctor


what is odd about the regeneration, is we only saw the regenerative engery, nothing about him seemed to be changing.

This is the fear i mentioned, how are they going to resolve this.

and as said, weve seen the xmas special so 10 is still our current doctor.

Just hope we dont get a reset but cleverly done explanation.
 
Absolutely f*%king fantastic!

My only fear now is that next weeks can't possibly live up to this...can it?

Sometimes I worry that I like episodes that don't feature Tennant a little too much :lol: he and donna were a bit on the periphery here but who cares! The Stolen Earth is, IMO, better than TSOD and LOTTL put together, when RTD is on form he is on form!

Loved Ianto's line. 'No broken bones, slight loss of dignity- no change there then.' and the Daleks telling Harriet Jones they knew who she was :guffaw:

Just for once could we have a regeneration scene that didn't take place in the TARDIS though?

Loved Sarah Jane (nice outfit) Jack and the TW crew, even Martha and General Dempsey was cool!

I will bew mightily annoyed if there is a reset button used her, and I'll be annoyed if Tennant regenerates into Tennant as well! That said if that was Tennant's last episode then, blimey way to keep a secret BBC!
 
Meant to say as well- having just watched Dalek Invasion of Earth I loved the references in here- The Doctor mentioning that the Daleks had tried to use the Earth as a space ship before, the Daleks line 'Daleks are masters of Earth' etc...fab, and great timing for me!
 
It pissed me off in the role playing pick a path novels that when you thought you were possibly dead, that if you rolled a six(Or something, I don't remember.) you regenerated but mysteriously kept the same form...

Okay.

Regeneration sickness.

The Doctor is going to be batshit for rest of the season.

Remember when the third Doctor fracked that Dalek with a jiggered tape recorder on planet of evil or whatever it was called... I wonder what he could do with the sub ether net given half a chance.

Is the Dalek Emperor out past Pluto building his army to attack earth in season one yet?

So the Daleks have built an engine out of planets which are going to turn off the suns and eliminate the light traveling out from those stars hundred of thousands and even millions of years earlier that they seem to be going out at once even though we only see light which has been... Bad science worthy of the producers of Sliders.
 
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