Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

[wamdue]

HOWEVER - going as far as to fake filming for the Xmas special to cover it up? Now THAT is ambitious, could it be this regeneration gets reset buttoned, or will thanks to his hand the Doctor regenerate into Tennant again, or even have the process interrupted?

this is why I tend to think the 10th Doctor is safe, if they hadnt had filmed that, then yeah all bets are off, but that filming makes me think we have not seen the last of the 10th Doctor


what is odd about the regeneration, is we only saw the regenerative engery, nothing about him seemed to be changing.

This is the fear i mentioned, how are they going to resolve this.

and as said, weve seen the xmas special so 10 is still our current doctor.

if they hadnt had held the camera on the 10th Doctor for so long, you could just say, it cut before change started to happen, but the camera was on him long enough, for me to expect to see some change.

also the hand seems safe in its container, I don't see how it can influence the regeneration in there, if theDoctor had been holding it at the time of his regeneration that would be another matter.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Fantastic.
And no opening credit for the milkman in sight.

OK, I wasn't gonna ask, but now that someone else brought him up ... are there really still milkmen there in England?

Yeah, there's not quite so many as there used to be, but we still have one round here.

 

[wamdue]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jUOa_XxfopM

is the above video safe for spoilers?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Re: Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

But Davros survived. Davros and the Master. If the villains are smart enough to escape the Time War, that makes the Time Lords out to be pretty daft in comparison if the Doctor was the only one who survived. The more this goes on, the more silly the whole concept of the Doctor being the last Time Lord seems.

I like Lawrence Miles' reaction:

The walls between realities are collapsing, yes? Therefore, you can bring Davros back just by saying that he's the Davros from another universe where he didn't die in the Time War, yes? No. What we get is a painful, drivelling explanation about Dalek Caan making a temporal shift into the past and somehow rescuing his creator. I wouldn't expect anything that weak from Stephen Greenhorn. We know this doesn't make sense, and having the Doctor say 'but that's impossible!' doesn't excuse it.

An alternate universe Davros would have been far more palatable, especially if this is a Davros from Pete's World, who's following the path that Rose opened in her desperate quest to get back to "our" world. If Rose weakened the walls, and Davros and the Daleks took advantage of them, that would make Rose culpable for everything that follows. She may have had good intentions, but with terrible consequences.

Terri's criticism stands. First, the Dalek Emperor survives the Time War. Then, the Master. Now, Davros. Really does make the Time Lords look like idiots, doesn't it?

 

[Starkers]

But Davros survived. Davros and the Master. If the villains are smart enough to escape the Time War, that makes the Time Lords out to be pretty daft in comparison if the Doctor was the only one who survived. The more this goes on, the more silly the whole concept of the Doctor being the last Time Lord seems.

I like Lawrence Miles' reaction:

The walls between realities are collapsing, yes? Therefore, you can bring Davros back just by saying that he's the Davros from another universe where he didn't die in the Time War, yes? No. What we get is a painful, drivelling explanation about Dalek Caan making a temporal shift into the past and somehow rescuing his creator. I wouldn't expect anything that weak from Stephen Greenhorn. We know this doesn't make sense, and having the Doctor say 'but that's impossible!' doesn't excuse it.

An alternate universe Davros would have been far more palatable, especially if this is a Davros from Pete's World, who's following the path that Rose opened in her desperate quest to get back to "our" world. If Rose weakened the walls, and Davros and the Daleks took advantage of them, that would make Rose culpable for everything that follows. She may have had good intentions, but with terrible consequences.

Terri's criticism stands. First, the Dalek Emperor survives the Time War. Then, the Master. Now, Davros. Really does make the Time Lords look like idiots, doesn't it?

Much as I loved the episode I have to agree with you, and I sincerly hope this is the last such survival of the Timewar short of a bunch of Timelords somewhere. I can just about live with Davros coming back this way and reforming the Daleks again, but if they're destroyed again in the end then I can't see how they can ever be brought back again.

 

[Dragonfly]

I just watched it.

And I FREAKIN' LOVED IT!! I can't wait until next week

I'd make a longer post, but everything I'd say was said on the first few pages

 

[Harry]

You, know, Davros could've been even easier to explain... we last saw him escaping in a pod in "Rememberance of the Daleks" right? They could've just simply said he went in hiding and didnt play any part at all in the Time War (as his relation between Daleks, especially ones calling themself Emperor, is troublesome at best).

However, I admit I quite liked the crazy Dalek Caan. And I do have this completely unfounded idea that we will someday see Gallifrey again. With the re-introduction of many old foes, Gallifrey itself is basically one of the last major elements to refurbish for the new series. Maybe not next week, maybe not in the 2009 specials, but I do sort of expect to see Gallifrey again sometime before the end of Season Five. But these are just my unfounded ramblings, pay no notion to them.

 

[Brendan Moody]

An alternate universe Davros would be silly. The sense of the character's history with the Doctor (whether the audience knows the details of that history or not) contributes to his impact in the episode, and quite frankly "it's an alternate universe version!" is as much of a narrative cheat as "I secretly survived!" I do hope "Journey's End" expands on the notion that the Time War isn't time-locked after all, but even if it doesn't the image of Dalek Caan buffeting through time over and over until he's driven mad beats the heck out of more parallel universe stuff. I also like that the Daleks survive where the Time Lords can't; it says that as potent as the Time Lords were the Daleks are better, and it takes a great Time Lord like the Doctor even to hold them off. Plus, the Daleks make for interesting stories. The Time Lords... don't.

 

[Tom]

I have always like the idea of somehow the doctor finds himself on Gallifry some time before the Time War, he is some how out of his own time stream. He has to deal with some problem there but finds himself very very conflicted on whether he should warn the Time Lords on what will happen to them in the near future. This could be a great episode if done right and alwow us to have a Gallifrey story.

Regarding the potential regeneration, could he regenerate and be the same physicaly BUT be different mentaly?? Whith Tennants acting he could pull that off.

Also if he did somehow regenrate to someone different could the xmas episode just be a story that does not nessarily follow episode 13? hmm

 

[USS KG5]

Also if he did somehow regenrate to someone different could the xmas episode just be a story that does not nessarily follow episode 13? hmm

No - definitely not - if he regenerates then the Xmas special filming shots are all fakes, and that would make the cover-up a huge achievement.

 

[Ariadne]

And Harriet Jones. The perfect development for that character. Moffatt would be a fool to bring her back after that end. It would cheapen her actions.

If she's actually dead. She should be, but the way it was shot certainly makes it look like they're trying to misdirect people into thinking she's dead when she isn't.

Did she really look any more dead than Sarah-Jane, Ianto and Gwen? They all had Daleks a few meters away from them with nothing to stop them when the episode ended, and we know they'll survive until the next season of their respective shows.

 

[Eagler]

So, anyone want to compare that cliffhanger to Best of Both Worlds? Luckily we don't have to wait an entire summer for the conclusion, but jeebus!

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

And the bees were great. That sort of reminded me of the dolphins in the Hitchhiker's Guide.

Me too, it actually got me to buy the Hitchhikers film on Ebay I wish I had more people to watch it with who'd get stuff like that. Dad watched it with us, but his input was restricted to "Torchwood, that's another programme on the TV isn't it?"

I also like that the Daleks survive where the Time Lords can't; it says that as potent as the Time Lords were the Daleks are better, and it takes a great Time Lord like the Doctor even to hold them off

I like it too, the Time Lords were a decadent lot, never really trying hard enough, IIRC the Master himself suggested such.

It says a lot about the Doctor that every time a Dalek Empire rises up against him, he take it out.

Equally, it says a lot about the Daleks that every time the Doctor takes out their Empire, they build another.

 

[Samurai8472]

Fantastic.


And no opening credit for the milkman in sight.

I'm surprised the kitchen sink wasn't there too

 

[Jim Gamma]

Fantastic.


And no opening credit for the milkman in sight.

I'm surprised the kitchen sink wasn't there too

Rumour has it, that's next week.

 

[Captain Shaw]

I just worried that next weeks ep will not hold up to this one.

 

[USS KG5]

I just worried that next weeks ep will not hold up to this one.

I don't know why - but I know it REALLY REALLY will, but then I adored Last Of The Timelords and a lot of people didn't.

 

[Orac]

Fantastic! MAX-I-MUM-EX-TER-MI-NA-TION!

 

[tobindax]

Another below average episode. The inconsistency was even worse than several others from this year. First, who the hell cares about Daleks anymore, they bore me. I was waiting for a clever twist, like, the Daleks being trapped TOGETHER with other worlds so they were attacking out of habit, at the last moment the real vilains behind it, (e.g. the Master) come up "surprise, Daleks, go back to your cage, you're also trapped with the planets", tsk tsk, but why don't they listen to me, they keep making silly scripts. And if that wasn't enough, they also spam the episode with Torchwood and that other Series that I never watched. Who are those people, I don't know them, I don't care, I don't know what they're doing, boring. And wtf with the regenaration again, are they going to change him? but I heard he has contracts for next year too, what's going on. And that old companion, what a bore, not only she was irritating, she's also getting old and doesn't fit with Tenant, and what's wrong with her teeth anyway.

 

[DS9Continuing]

here is yet another "No really, these are last survivors of the Time War" story,

Except they're not - these are *new* Daleks created from Davros' cells

As TerriO pointed out, I was referring to Davros with that.

The complete and utter schlock of the running down the road scene made me want to throw up, or at the very least cut back on sickeningly sweet food for a while from fear of becoming diabetic.

Yeah, they could have kept the show to its 45-minute slot by editing five minutes out of that slow-motion run.

Loved the Sarah Jane bits up until she froze like a deer in headlights in front of two Daleks that she should have bloody well known were going to be watching the streets with a curfew in place. That was the only real moment of her storyline for me.

"Run over them, you stupid cow!" quoth I.

Voted Above average.
Am I the only one who chuckled at this?

- You're saying bees are aliens?
- Don't be so daft.

I'm surprised she didn't yell back, "Hello? Giant alien wasp ring a bell?"

Just for once could we have a regeneration scene that didn't take place in the TARDIS though?

You mean like 4-to-5? or 7-to-8?