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This. I think it ran a little too long, but I did enjoy it, and yeah I enjoyed the ST09 spacejump scene, too.
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I didn't know if it was a big deal since the character had such a small role. Sorry about that. I made a mistake.
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Didn't Spoiler die in 2004, didn't get a memorial statue in the Batcave even though she once was Robin, but feels much better now, since they revived her in 2008 shortly before she was made Batgirl?
Only one person from R&M is working on it, and I don't believe he was one of the creators, just a writer.
He was a humorless arse, but I'll miss him. I'll take that (limited) characterization over the complete lack of characterization of most of the bridge crew. It was more fun seeing his (shitty) interactions with Burnham and Pike than most of S1 put together. Much like a good bad guy, there's always room for an arse among the good guys, dramatically speaking. Plus I'm always in favor of Trek pulling the "save em at the last minute, even or especially if they aren't that great or even on your side". It would have improved the end of Beyond, and it would have been nice here as well.
Also, if the positions had been reversed, but with the same dialogue and everything, with Burnham sticking egotistically to her calculations despite the Captain ordering her not to, with this dude having the right knowledge and experience... Burnham would have been framed as a hero for following her calculations etc. Shrug. The trouble isn't really that this dude was a know-it-all, but rather that he was presented as exactly the same as Burnham. Except wrong because he isn't the protagonist.
On the other hand, he was a blip and now I've given this issue far more consideration than it deserves. Let him die. Bring back the Tardigrade instead. As a regular.
Also, if the positions had been reversed, but with the same dialogue and everything, with Burnham sticking egotistically to her calculations despite the Captain ordering her not to, with this dude having the right knowledge and experience... Burnham would have been framed as a hero for following her calculations etc. Shrug. The trouble isn't really that this dude was a know-it-all, but rather that he was presented as exactly the same as Burnham. Except wrong because he isn't the protagonist.
On the other hand, he was a blip and now I've given this issue far more consideration than it deserves. Let him die. Bring back the Tardigrade instead. As a regular.
Maybe if you’re 12 years old you’d find it funny?
Anyway Discovery clearly has a 1 straight white male quota for the crew and he’s been used up by Pike.
I'm as far away from being 12 years old than I ever was, and I found it funny as hell. Die toxic masculinity scum, die doing what you do best: mansplaining. Muhahaha
Oh dear. You're one of those....
Nope. Worse. I'm one of THOSE ...
I'm about five decades from 12 and I thought it was damned funny.
Yep.
Though you could see it coming from a mile away. He was ignoring Burnham's suggestions and Pike's orders.
This character wasn't believable. How could a Starfleet science officer be a complete idiot?
This was a one-off setup where the audience is supposed to enjoy watching the asshole get what's coming to him. It's cheap writing. Apparently we're supposed to be happy that a young Starfleet officer gets killed.
We've seen jerk Starfleet officers before like Hobson or Stiles. By the end of the episode these characters learn they were wrong, and we assume they grow and become better people. In STD the jerk character just dies. No growth. No redemption.
And did they think they were being clever that the blue shirt died instead of the red shirt? You could see it coming from a mile away. Again, this show is totally juvenile.
This was a one-off setup where the audience is supposed to enjoy watching the asshole get what's coming to him. It's cheap writing. Apparently we're supposed to be happy that a young Starfleet officer gets killed.
We've seen jerk Starfleet officers before like Hobson or Stiles. By the end of the episode these characters learn they were wrong, and we assume they grow and become better people. In STD the jerk character just dies. No growth. No redemption.
And did they think they were being clever that the blue shirt died instead of the red shirt? You could see it coming from a mile away. Again, this show is totally juvenile.
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First, the Enterprise is not the "flagship of the Federation." That nonsense don't happen until later.
Secondly, I suppose the question "how could the science officer aboard the Enterprise be an idiot" could be valid in the sense that people serving aboard the Enterprise are always cool - however, anyone up to and including captains and admirals are routinely idiots if they are not serving aboard the Enterprise.
Okay, not the flagship, but regardless he's not believable as a chief science officer on the Enterprise or any Starfleet ship. That's a relatively minor point in my post.
cheap writing, agree
totally unprofessional dude, bound for a comeuppance
It wasn't the serious tone last year I disliked (just the main premise/thrust of the whole thing, ha ha). This year the increased comedy seems Orvillian. Alien sneezes goop on jackass! Serious moment on bridge turns into a Tilly neurotic word salad. Ho ho. I even like the Greenwood Pike (more serious) over this informal-jokey Pike. "We're all siblings here."
WAY too long sequence btw. I've seen people zoom through asteroids before. Plus the ridiculousness of their making it through all that random-moving debris. But in kewl-spinny things that sound like StarWars prequel ships (that gurgling engine noise)! And Burnham was the TEST PILOT at like 19 g's or something. Kinda fanfic-y.
Y'know what, this turned into a rant. Sorry. I subscribed to CBS again, hoping. LOVED the short Treks btw. Like what you like.
totally unprofessional dude, bound for a comeuppance
It wasn't the serious tone last year I disliked (just the main premise/thrust of the whole thing, ha ha). This year the increased comedy seems Orvillian. Alien sneezes goop on jackass! Serious moment on bridge turns into a Tilly neurotic word salad. Ho ho. I even like the Greenwood Pike (more serious) over this informal-jokey Pike. "We're all siblings here."
WAY too long sequence btw. I've seen people zoom through asteroids before. Plus the ridiculousness of their making it through all that random-moving debris. But in kewl-spinny things that sound like StarWars prequel ships (that gurgling engine noise)! And Burnham was the TEST PILOT at like 19 g's or something. Kinda fanfic-y.
Y'know what, this turned into a rant. Sorry. I subscribed to CBS again, hoping. LOVED the short Treks btw. Like what you like.
We've had asshole characters on ST before. We've had starfleet officers acting unprofessional, even openly being antagonistic to a superior officer. In TOS there were officers who made openly sexist and racist remarks. What DISCO did is not new. I enjoyed and appreciated the schadenfreude aspect of it. I've suffered enough mansplaining in my own life to appreciate the little gag. Nice to get pandered to for a change.
I totally disagree that Connelly was anything like a male version of Burnham. He was condescending in a sexist way, disregarding direct orders out of chauvinistic ego, not in service to the larger mission goals. Burnham has disobeyed orders, but it's usually come from a principled place and she's never sought to belittle a colleague to satisfy her own ego. Does she have an arrogance at times? Perhaps, because she's so often proven herself correct in her thinking. She's not afraid to argue her case when the stakes are high. Let's not forget that the times that she overstepped her bounds due to misguided hubris, she often suffered direct consequences. She also has apologized when she realized her error, like when she tricked Saru to visit the tardigrade to test his danger instinct.
Connelly was deliberately written as a dick so that we'd be okay with it when he fucked up all by himself. I'm pretty okay with that. After all, the show is meant to be entertainment and for me, his death was pretty damned entertaining.
I totally disagree that Connelly was anything like a male version of Burnham. He was condescending in a sexist way, disregarding direct orders out of chauvinistic ego, not in service to the larger mission goals. Burnham has disobeyed orders, but it's usually come from a principled place and she's never sought to belittle a colleague to satisfy her own ego. Does she have an arrogance at times? Perhaps, because she's so often proven herself correct in her thinking. She's not afraid to argue her case when the stakes are high. Let's not forget that the times that she overstepped her bounds due to misguided hubris, she often suffered direct consequences. She also has apologized when she realized her error, like when she tricked Saru to visit the tardigrade to test his danger instinct.
Connelly was deliberately written as a dick so that we'd be okay with it when he fucked up all by himself. I'm pretty okay with that. After all, the show is meant to be entertainment and for me, his death was pretty damned entertaining.
Heh, maybe it's hard to believe if you don't work in a technical field. To me this was one of the most believable characters in Trek, next to O'Brien. And why isn't Hobson a problem? Seems like a double standard you have here - Hobson somehow got to first officer as an asshole, but that's fine because he got better after the fact? How does that make him more believable? People grow and redeem themselves in real life - people also die in real life.
I blame Burnham for continuing to badger him when she should have let him concentrate on flying.
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