I don't know. It made the Gorn seem more alive, which is always a good thing.
do you think TOS should have been remastered?
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I don't know. It made the Gorn seem more alive, which is always a good thing.
I tend to think that the original Gorn was fine. It seemed to work for the first forty years.
Ah, but what of change for change's sake?I tend to think that the original Gorn was fine. It seemed to work for the first forty years.
I tend to think that the original Gorn was fine. It seemed to work for the first forty years.
Except that ENT made a Gorn that did have eyelids before TOS-R aired"Arena."
The point of TOS-R was to enhance the original effects. Some of the old ones may still have worked, but it was produced with the mindset of doing things like this. I actually like the more subtle changes like this. They're not done just to look cool and splashy, but to add realism into the episode (in a good way).
Don't think this's a good example. It was made so that the outdated Gorn special effects would look fresh and less fake (as the original audience would've seen it). A change for change's sake would be replacing special effects with new effects that accomplished nothing.
The point of TOS-R was to make the show viable in HD. Making blinking eyelids that appear for a half second didn't enhance anything for me.
Agree all around. When I first read they modified the Gorn, I cringed. (for real, too, not like most people use that word) I'm just greatful they didn't mess with him too much.
Can someone answer a question for me on this, did they also animate his mouth, I don't remember it opening and closing so much before TOS R.
Now, showing the Antares and using almost the design from TAS, I kind of liked that one. I didn't really care for the change to the Thasian ship in the end, though.
Just to restate, I'm fairly neutral on this, not mad they did it overall, but not too happy with the result.
Please don't call me a lousy neutral, I told you where I stand.
I see why they went to the effort to update the effects. I just wish they were given the amount of time and money needed to make them, well, good. I was watching WNMHGB today and I switched over to the CGI effects. The Enterprise looked video game-ish, more so now than it did in 2006. Computer effects do not age well and they become outdated more quickly than good model effects. Just so happens the 1965 effects work for the episode have held up quite well for the most part (better than some shots done for the series proper). Bottom line for me as the CGI effects, for better or worse, don't look organic. They always look like they were made later. Sure, they"re "better" and stand up under HD scrutiny better than a lot of the old effects. But the old effects fit the time they were made. The film stock is the same, the people making it were of the same time, and I frankly will always prefer them to the new effects. With one exception: "Tomorrow is Yesterday." The episode makes sense now. But that's the only one.
Should the series have been remastered? I guess so, but I would have been even more happy to have the series restored to pristine condition with all of the proper music, sound mixes and opening and closing themes in place.
Should the series have been remastered? I guess so, but I would have been even more happy to have the series restored to pristine condition with all of the proper music, sound mixes and opening and closing themes in place.
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Yes - but you're not the target audience. It was done to make younger folks go - "Okay they did a bit more here then just put a guys in a foam rubber suit."
The point was to make it compatible for HD broadcast format but also to try and get younger viewers to have more interest and not immediately dismiss it because they can see the matte lines or see through areas in travelling matte shots, etc.
Um, when they were advertising it, the hook was that the the show had a more realistic look now, with old special effects cleaned up and replaced. The fact that the picture quality had been improved was incidental.
This is where I'm at, as well.
http://thefirstfleet.deviantart.com/art/The-only-shade-of-grey-514176064
Anyway. The Gorn blinking was one of the few things that really stood out to me, because it was done over a moving actor's suit and it was a good creepy moment to make the Gorn surprising again after seeing the eipsode so many times.
But it only works the first time.
About blinking, it doesn't have to be something you notice or care consciously about, to be worthwhile. Ever notice that cartoon characters blink? Possibly not. I didn't, for decades. When you noticed, did you wonder why the hell they bothered? It must be one of those things that adds believability, but subconsciously and unobtrusively. That stuff matters.
Perfectly well said, but critics of the remaster still can't figure that out.
Generalize much?
I wonder why they wasted time and money on it when others things weren't done right.
I did actually, as I said earlier it meant mapping a moving object and doing not one but two animations over it.
Yes it was a great moment when it first happened, now I wonder if that time and effort could have been used to improve the totally untextured Gorn ship.
The addition of the skyline when first beaming down is one of the biggest changes to the episode, and one I see far fewer people mentioning in general. Likely because it looked like the kind of matte we'd have seen and wasn't as intrusive.
Yes it was a great moment when it first happened, now I wonder if that time and effort could have been used to improve the totally untextured Gorn ship.
The addition of the skyline when first beaming down is one of the biggest changes to the episode, and one I see far fewer people mentioning in general. Likely because it looked like the kind of matte we'd have seen and wasn't as intrusive.
In the episode you can barely SEE the Gorn ship. The only reason we know it's untextured is because they released pictures of the model.
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