Do you think Barclay and Troi had sex when they went on a date at the end of "The Nth Degree"?
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Well that’s an image I never wanted to see, ever, in a million years.
If I live to see hell freeze over and every last cow come home, I’ll still have Meaney’s face burned upon my retinas.
Awe ... well here's Keiko, then. To soothe your retinas on their path to healing. She was way too cute for Miles, I'm sure even Colm would agree ...
Better than Optrex.
Awe ... well here's Keiko, then. To soothe your retinas on their path to healing. She was way too cute for Miles, I'm sure even Colm would agree ...
(And she could have done so much better)
When it comes to fantasies and fetish, everyone could be considered a perv by such standard ! That's what fantasies are supposed to be about, that doesn't mean they will ever become reality.
Besides, for having met real life perverts, I wouldn't call Reg such a thing. Yes he broke a rule by creating holograms of his crewmates and using them for his fantasies, but down the road he never did more than break a protocol rule. He didn't harass anyone, he didn't assault anyone, he didn't say dirty or/and inappropriate things to his crewmates. I don't really get how creating holograms of his favourite female colleagues to live a fantasy with them is different from...well...thinking about them while alone in his bed, if you see what I mean. Even if he didn't create the holograms, he probably already had desire for them in the first place. Should have Deanna showed in his quarters and gotten mad at him for having sensed what he was thinking about ? Because that's pretty much the same thing IMHO.
Well surely people in Starfleet can have flaws
I denounce "Walking" the characters wherever you want. It's that kind of interpretation that makes Bones a racist, Kirk a womanizer, Geordi a stalker, etc... That kind of thinking can be taken anywhere. Sarek is an abusive father. Picard & Guinan had a sexual relationship, Beverly cheated on Jack with Jean-Luc, Picard is Wesley's real father, & Troi & Riker were screwing the whole time. It's all just unsubstantiated nonsense in people's heads
I could even make a case to say Ro Laren was secretly working since her 1st appearance with the intention of aiding the Maqui. It's nonsense, but I could probably patch some kind of narrative together, that is as plausible as Barclay being a sexual deviant
And what you consider perverted is probably considered relatively normal in their culture, just like the vast amount of porn available & celebrated today would've been seen as perverted to puritanical pilgrims
The show was originally pitched as 'Star Trek: The Orgy Generation'......didn't you know?
Side note: If Troi had read my mind, like she did with Reg, I'd likely be reprimanded and tossed off the ship!
Flaws, yes. Psychosis and Neurosis? Not so much. But that's Barclay ... breakin' the rules, I guess that's why he's so popular. He's a mental case, not someone you want defending your country. He's a sweet guy, I'm sure, but even Hitler had a girlfriend, so what? What's that got to do with anything? He's unfit for duty and only has duty because its in the script ... at the insistence of TNG's writing staff who think the whole thing's a friggin' joke.
I'm with you, except ... I don't see the problem with Kirk's womanising. I mean ... it's not like he chose women who were so profoundly gullible and stupid that they'd believe he was going to make an honest woman out of them. It's just, you know, boy meets girl kind of stuff. Nothing to take umbrage at.
Alright.
Now, come on. You know there's absolutely nothing to go on, there. That's never been discussed in the show, except where it was the actual point of the episode. For example, Cost of Living.
"Mental case" is a bit harsh and uninformed. He's just a shy, awkward sort that needs to be brought into the social fold.
Regarding actual mental illness in relation to "defending your country", there is a *ton* of data out there correlating military service, PTSD, and violent behaviors that might surprise you.
(Also, the Starship Enterprise -- and by extension the Federation as an entity -- is not a "country" that needs defending.
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I certainly did not mean to imply that Real Life soldiers aren't suffering from combat-related disorders, because I'm aware of things like The Wounded Warriors Project and things like that. Just using more of a shorthand to say that Barclay is an (fictional) officer in a quasi-military organisation. An OFFICER (!!!) I mean ... this guy outranks O'Brien, who's by far, a more stable and consistently reliable member of the crew who only throws Barclays shortcomings into sharp relief. I understand Barclay has his fans because of the actor playing him, more than anything. And there is this thing where Rick Berman and his team wrote him as some Valentine to Trekkies, as Barclay seems to be what their impression is of the typical STAR TREK fan. Maybe there's some connection there fans feel but I'm not amongst them, I'm sorry.
Okay, this is actually becoming quite outrageous.
Are you aware that according to the WHO, about 1 person in 4 has a neurosis/psychosis ? That doesn't make us (yeah I'm 1 in 4, sorry but not sorry) unfit or 'mental cases' or awful criminals who go around killing millions of people (Hitler...Seriously ?! Congrats on reaching the Godwin point...)
You seem to have a totally flawed vision of what mental illness is about.
Most people with mental disorders and psychosis are just 'the guy/girl next door', not some dangerous criminals who should be behind bars...neither drugged zombies feeding on pills...Even if in some cases, pills can and do help with managing symptoms.
And by the way, loads of brilliant spirits, even scientists and great artists, have or had psychosis.
John Forbes Nash Jr, one of the greatest 20th century mathematicians, had schizophrenia. Robin Williams battled depression for his whole life and suffered from dementia due to Lewy Body disease. Chopin was known for showing signs of anxiety that lead some experts to think he had a bipolar disorder. Van Gogh had signs of a bipolar disorder as well, since he was known for having both depressive and manic episodes. Marie Curie battled chronic depression for her whole life, and so did Frankin, one of the greatest French cartoonists. The list could go on and on.
Emotional stability isn't everything. If Reg outranks Miles, it means he surely did what was needed to deserve his position. Just because he's socially anxious doesn't necessarily makes him a bad officer, it depends what his job is about. He may not be good at diplomacy or command, but he can still be a very qualified engineer or scientist.
Combat-related disorders are not the only 'valid' mental disorders. People suffering from schizophrenia, anxiety, bipolar disorders, OCD, eating disorders, paranoia, depression, dissociative disorders...are suffering from 'valid' illness as well. Those aren't some gross abnormalities coming from nowhere, they are caused by a genetically inherited different brain wiring, or by disordered chemical reactions in the brain. This is not a trend or a choice.
Besides, many people suffering from anxiety or/and depression went throught traumatic experiences such as harassment, bullying, rape, physical assault, physical or/and verbal abuse, mistreatment... We definitely would have prefered such things NOT to happen to us if we had the choice in the first place !
Maybe you don't feel a connection because you've never been in Reg's shoes. But for us people with an anxiety disorder, Reg acts both as a validation that we do exist and do count, and as a role model for how we could evolve and get more self confidence. He also gives us cultural representation in a positive way, as he ends up being accepted and even liked by his crewmates. In the TNG novels, he even ends up working at the Daystrom Institute at a good position.
Seeing Reg succeed and gain respect from his colleagues reminds us, real life anxious people, that we are worthy and we can succeed.
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Okay, this is actually becoming quite outrageous.
Are you aware that according to the WHO, about 1 person in 4 has a neurosis/psychosis ? That doesn't make us (yeah I'm 1 in 4, sorry but not sorry) unfit or 'mental cases' or awful criminals who go around killing millions of people (Hitler...Seriously ?! Congrats on reaching the Godwin point...)
You seem to have a totally flawed vision of what mental illness is about.
Most people with mental disorders and psychosis are just 'the guy/girl next door', not some dangerous criminals who should be behind bars...neither drugged zombies feeding on pills...Even if in some cases, pills can and do help with managing symptoms.
And by the way, loads of brilliant spirits, even scientists and great artists, have or had psychosis.
John Forbes Nash Jr, one of the greatest 20th century mathematicians, had schizophrenia. Robin Williams battled depression for his whole life and suffered from dementia due to Lewy Body disease. Chopin was known for showing signs of anxiety that lead some experts to think he had a bipolar disorder. Van Gogh had signs of a bipolar disorder as well, since he was known for having both depressive and manic episodes. Marie Curie battled chronic depression for her whole life, and so did Frankin, one of the greatest French cartoonists. The list could go on and on.
Emotional stability isn't everything. If Reg outranks Miles, it means he surely did what was needed to deserve his position. Just because he's socially anxious doesn't necessarily makes him a bad officer, it depends what his job is about. He may not be good at diplomacy or command, but he can still be a very qualified engineer or scientist.
Combat-related disorders are not the only 'valid' mental disorders. People suffering from schizophrenia, anxiety, bipolar disorders, OCD, eating disorders, paranoia, depression, dissociative disorders...are suffering from 'valid' illness as well. Those aren't some gross abnormalities coming from nowhere, they are caused by a genetically inherited different brain wiring, or by disordered chemical reactions in the brain. This is not a trend or a choice.
Besides, many people suffering from anxiety or/and depression went throught traumatic experiences such as harassment, bullying, rape, physical assault, physical or/and verbal abuse, mistreatment... We definitely would have prefered such things NOT to happen to us if we had the choice in the first place !
Maybe you don't feel a connection because you've never been in Reg's shoes. But for us people with an anxiety disorder, Reg acts both as a validation that we do exist and do count, and as a role model for how we could evolve and get more self confidence. He also gives us cultural representation in a positive way, as he ends up being accepted and even liked by his crewmates. In the TNG novels, he even ends up working at the Daystrom Institute at a good position.
Seeing Reg succeed and gain respect from his colleagues reminds us, real life anxious people, that we are worthy and we can succeed.
Were there any episodes/storylines that delved into Reg's past? If so I'd be very interested. Maybe he was bullied/shunned as a boy? Neglect? Possible abuse, mental, physical, or otherwise?
On the subject, Henry Winkler recently broke down and told Howard Stern (regardless of how you feel about the guy, he's a master interviewer) about some of his childhood experiences. Apparently he is dyslexic and once had a stutter, and his father would bark things like "dumb dog" at him in Yiddish. Very shy as a boy, understandably.
He (obviously) went on to thrive and experience great success, thanks in part to friends & a good heart.
I don't remember such details being given in-universe, so we can just guess. Or, to be honest, I'd rather not try to guess because I know very well what kind of abuse Reg would have been throught. He probably lived difficult, painful lonely years. And the fact that he's still alive and succeeded to join Starfleet is a powerful message of hope for every anxious person out there.
Okay, this is actually becoming quite outrageous.
Are you aware that according to the WHO, about 1 person in 4 has a neurosis/psychosis ? That doesn't make us (yeah I'm 1 in 4, sorry but not sorry) unfit or 'mental cases' or awful criminals who go around killing millions of people (Hitler...Seriously ?! Congrats on reaching the Godwin point...)
You seem to have a totally flawed vision of what mental illness is about.
Most people with mental disorders and psychosis are just 'the guy/girl next door', not some dangerous criminals who should be behind bars...neither drugged zombies feeding on pills...Even if in some cases, pills can and do help with managing symptoms.
And by the way, loads of brilliant spirits, even scientists and great artists, have or had psychosis.
John Forbes Nash Jr, one of the greatest 20th century mathematicians, had schizophrenia. Robin Williams battled depression for his whole life and suffered from dementia due to Lewy Body disease. Chopin was known for showing signs of anxiety that lead some experts to think he had a bipolar disorder. Van Gogh had signs of a bipolar disorder as well, since he was known for having both depressive and manic episodes. Marie Curie battled chronic depression for her whole life, and so did Frankin, one of the greatest French cartoonists. The list could go on and on.
Emotional stability isn't everything. If Reg outranks Miles, it means he surely did what was needed to deserve his position. Just because he's socially anxious doesn't necessarily makes him a bad officer, it depends what his job is about. He may not be good at diplomacy or command, but he can still be a very qualified engineer or scientist.
Combat-related disorders are not the only 'valid' mental disorders. People suffering from schizophrenia, anxiety, bipolar disorders, OCD, eating disorders, paranoia, depression, dissociative disorders...are suffering from 'valid' illness as well. Those aren't some gross abnormalities coming from nowhere, they are caused by a genetically inherited different brain wiring, or by disordered chemical reactions in the brain. This is not a trend or a choice.
Besides, many people suffering from anxiety or/and depression went throught traumatic experiences such as harassment, bullying, rape, physical assault, physical or/and verbal abuse, mistreatment... We definitely would have prefered such things NOT to happen to us if we had the choice in the first place !
Maybe you don't feel a connection because you've never been in Reg's shoes. But for us people with an anxiety disorder, Reg acts both as a validation that we do exist and do count, and as a role model for how we could evolve and get more self confidence. He also gives us cultural representation in a positive way, as he ends up being accepted and even liked by his crewmates. In the TNG novels, he even ends up working at the Daystrom Institute at a good position.
Seeing Reg succeed and gain respect from his colleagues reminds us, real life anxious people, that we are worthy and we can succeed.
Chopin is a great comparison! I would also suggest the 18th century British scientist Henry Cavendish.
Just saw I still had that quote in my saved multi-quotes. So I'll just comment that and then I'll be done on the subject.
Indeed, people like Reg, people like us anxious people, may not die on-duty. Because we are very likely to succumb to self-harm and die of suicide before we ever proved our value to others.
Just reminding that according to the NBCI "Among individuals reporting a lifetime history of suicide attempt, over 70% had an anxiety disorder." Actually, whatever mental illness is associated with higher risk of suicide attempt, especially when the person is functional.
And besides...Who are you exactly to decide wether or not someone is "worth something" ? People from the Starfleet Academy and human resources obviously decided that Reg was and still is "worth something", unless he wouldn't have graduated and wouldn't have been hired on Starfleet's flagship !
Because he isn't assertive like Yar, or as physically strong as Worf, or as socially fit as Riker, don't make him worthless ! He is worthy, he is respected, he is needed and he is capable. And he is brave, too - the kind of brave who wakes up every morning with the same fears and pains but still fights to keep carrying on no matter what.
Now, to answer the original question...I dunno if Troi and Reg did anything. I never gave it much thought. I don't really see them having that sort of relationship, but I honestly never imagined Troi and Worf having a romantic relationship and it did happen in most parallel worlds Worf visites. So, who knows ? ...
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Who said he's a perv in the holodeck?It's not that far of a walk for the character. After all, he's a perv in the holodeck.
Starfleet officers who are really worth something, like Yar and assorted redshirts, are killed every day ... but not Barclay ...
You?
He had a three musketeer program running and a mother goddess earth one running.
When we find him and Beverly, he is asleep having his forehead massaged. Fully clothed.
Sounds more like something of and actual emotional relationship than a perverted sex video.
You seem to be the one with the intimacy issues. Not Barclay.
