Ditto in my circles, though I always got the impression that for the general populace, it was more like Butters' experience.
Kor
Do you think Barclay and Troi had sex when they went on a date at the end of "The Nth Degree"?
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Kor
I accept that it’s there, and I accept that I’m oblivious to most things. But, for example, where I work is female dominated. There are no men directly above me, and very few further up, precious few below either. Bad behaviour was called out of existence long long ago.
I also move in fairly progressive circles and shun aggression. I can name more practicing witches than misogynists, so I’m probably quite sheltered.
If you’re hot, you’re gonna get hit on, and I’m not sure what can be done about that, but I don’t know any men that were the hitting on girls type either. The ones that did were all kinds of creepy in other ways too, so I gave them a wide berth.
I also move in fairly progressive circles and shun aggression. I can name more practicing witches than misogynists, so I’m probably quite sheltered.
If you’re hot, you’re gonna get hit on, and I’m not sure what can be done about that, but I don’t know any men that were the hitting on girls type either. The ones that did were all kinds of creepy in other ways too, so I gave them a wide berth.
I agree .
I could have found sex within seconds if that was all I was looking for. Yeech.
I had tons of female friends that were great to be around, could meet them for drinks without it being weird, and I valued them massively. But dating wasn’t about friendship.
For what it’s worth, I married my best friend.
If I had to venture a guess, I would have to say no. It is very out of character for her, and as for him, even if she were to initiate a sexual act, he would be too nervous and bewildered to know what to do.
I think goes deeper than that. Opening up to a women can be just as hard because you still feel the need to project strength and confidence because that is what guys feel that women want out of men. The old provider complex. To me the two people I have been most open with talking to is my mom and my thearpst and he is a man but I also had one years before that when I started to have issues with my OCD who was a women. I think it comes down to who you are most comfortable with.
Another issue is that it becomes worst the older you get. I mean I am 42 and I have never been in love and still have problems with making friends. At some point you don't know how to open up to people or trust them because everyone your own age is already suppose to have that stuff figured out. Then you realize that any hope you have is most likely false hope which then makes it even harder and then you start to wonder what you have to even offer in terms of being a mate. You figure that you at best you might get someone who will settle for you so it's kind of depressing.
Jason
Unfortunately, I fear you are not seeing the full breadth of men the world has to offer. While I concede that there is cultural predominance toward those kinds of superficial exchanges, men are by far not the only purveyors of it. I've heard both all male & all female conversations so equally banal as to make one want to gouge their ears out. Men don't have a monopoly on that, I assure you lol
That said, some of the most profound conversations I've ever had were with other men, & some were with women, & I have no doubt some are held by all women. It's our polarity that would lead us to assume those "others" don't get it like we do. It's a bias we should constantly fight
Getting back to the subject of sexual liberty, I fear the concept here has been confused with sexual abandonment. The free love of the hippie movement was both a movement of sexual liberty, away from a repression that had preceded it, but it was also one of sexual abandonment, & ultimately why it didn't last. Something about Roddenberry's views on sexual liberation seem to echo that movement, & just don't land with me much. It's more sexual abandonment
The idea that a culture should view sex so indiscriminately actually devalues it imho & it's participants as well. That a culture should in any way assume its people be expected to share themselves intimately is the exact opposite of liberty
I liked how you were having a deep discussion then dropped this. Kudos.
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BARCLAY: I have a date later with Counselor Troi.
LAFORGE: Let me tell you something. You'd get more action out of a good book than you'll ever see on this date, I'll guarantee it. She's not going to waste her time on someone like you.
BARCLAY: Someone like me?
LAFORGE: She's way out of your league.
BARCLAY: Since when did you become an expert on women?
LAFORGE: Compared to you, every male on this ship is an expert on women.
BARCLAY: Well at least I don't have to find my women on the holodeck! Except for that one time!
SAREK: Hey guys
BARCLAY: I have a date later with Counselor Troi.
LAFORGE: Let me tell you something. You'd get more action out of a good book than you'll ever see on this date, I'll guarantee it. She's not going to waste her time on someone like you.
BARCLAY: Someone like me?
LAFORGE: She's way out of your league.
BARCLAY: Since when did you become an expert on women?
LAFORGE: Compared to you, every male on this ship is an expert on women.
BARCLAY: Well at least I don't have to find my women on the holodeck! Except for that one time!
SAREK: Hey guys
I've always suspected that Barclay was a panty-huffer and a seat-sniffer.
Or he just had a legitimate sociological disorder, & because he couldn't function socially well, he just substituted with the holodeck. That he did that could be seen as pitiable, maybe even pathetic, if you lack compassion, but it's certainly not the indictment of perversion in itself, that you seem to imply
Yeah -- and he's an officer ... in STARFLEET! If they ever wanted to make a lot of money with a ST: TNG movie, it would've featured Barclay’s slow, meaningless death, perhaps captured in a time-loop so that we can watch it over and over and over again.
Err...just because someone is suffering from severe social anxiety (which is Reg's case) doesn't make them perverts who go around searching for dirty panties... O_o
Huh ? So he deserves a slow and meaningless death for being socially anxious and awkward ? I don't get it...Reg suffers from a psychosis. It's not his fault at all. Why should he die in stupid conditions for something he basically can't help ?
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No way!! How about instead, Reg obtains a sort of 'immortality': he ends up forever trapped in one of his holodeck jack-off fantasies!
Poor Reg, heh.....I can't even picture him with Troi.....I imagine it'd be akin to watching a wild, unbridled sexual being going through the motions with an awkward, fumbling doofus.
I've always been a Barclay fan, I especially enjoy how he is portrayed in First Contact. Never having struggled with any sort of introversion nor 'social disorders' personally, the character has always intrigued me. I watched out for a bunch of guys just like him back in high school & college.
It's not that far of a walk for the character. After all, he's a perv in the holodeck.
Starfleet officers who are really worth something, like Yar and assorted redshirts, are killed every day ... but not Barclay ...
No way!! How about instead, Reg obtains a sort of 'immortality': he ends up forever trapped in one of his holodeck jack-off fantasies!
Hold up, now I'm confused about the gif/image thing -- isn't it against house rules, or? (Unless you own said images, of course.)
Am I missing the boat here?
(Admittedly, I'm completely in the dark regarding 'formats' and whatnot.)
I do not own anything of the STAR TREK franchise. The rule you're referring to, I believe, states that whatever images you post must be linked to a site that's, at least, technically "yours," like a flickr account, for example. The image of Tom Paris I posted is from "my" flickr site.
You say that like it’s a bad thing. Everyone pervs on the holodeck, but it was Reg that got caught.
If you look closely at the programme list outside the holodeck at the start of Where Silence has Lease, you can just make out Troi’s “Chocolate Wang Adventure”, so everyone does it.
