ST-One
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Don't give me this 'Trek is better than that' and 'the Trek-audience is above these 'unwashed masses' crap.
Do you like the *NEW* NCC-1701? Simple Yes or No.
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Don't give me this 'Trek is better than that' and 'the Trek-audience is above these 'unwashed masses' crap.
Not at all. I just think some of the changes were too drastic. That's all. In the end, after the first couple of weekends of release, the film's primary audience in theaters will be Trekkers and fans more than newcomers and the uninitiated. And to keep the film doing well and make it the box office smash Paramount undoubtedly wants it to be its going to need a lot of repeat ticket buyers. Alienating a big chunk of the loyal fanbase with drastic, extreme changes to continuity and aesthetics can only hurt in the long run. But oh well, we'll see.
Oh liking something and Accepting something are not the same thing.
Do you have to like the new enterprise? No,
If you go see the movie do you have to accept it as the enterprise.
You bet your god damn bippy you do...
I didn't like the death of my grandmother, but I had to accept that she died.
"Bippy"?
I think we've got another old fart, here...
I'm 35, but I watched a LOT of old tv.
Laugh-in especially.
It makes me very very interestink
Too bad Dan and Dick aren't still around to present JJ with the Flying Fickle Finger of Fate award when this thing crashes and burns.
ST-One
Vice Admiral
No, when. The good Captain here has psychic powers and can see the future and perfectly predict the fate of the film.
It's easy to imagine how much mockery those two would make of trek fans in general.
95% of my problems with what we know of the movie so far stems from how drastically different and off-kilter it looks and feels. As per the plot? I have few qualms as I sort of expected a prequel movie and on top of that one involving time travel of some sort to bring a character or two from the "later" shows or movies into the Kirk era.
Too bad indeed...
There goes your chance of getting not just the Finger but the entire Fist.
As long as the plot involves a change to the timeline that rewrites continuity for this movie, I don't care what he does and I will do my best to enjoy it. If its written to insist that this fits perfectly with the TOS (which it is pretty obvious it doesn't) then it doesn't have a prayer of being added to my dvd collection. The design of the Enterprise is big part of what I'm looking at because it doesn't look like the same ship as TOS and the movies. If the timeline changes and nothing is the same, then this truly isn't the same ship and while I have some reservations about the design (the proportions are way off) I don't completely hate it. It just doesn't fit. I think exploring an alternate timeline for a series of movies would be great because it gives Abrams complete freedom to do what he wants while not rewriting the fictional universe that the fans have loved for 40 years.
Maybe there will be homemade edits of the movie replacing all the shots of the Abrams Enterprise with a superior one.
Special Veruul Edition!
I doubt it, and if there are they'll be the usual amateurish stuff - believe me, people can not do on their desktops work that even approaches the quality of what's being done for this movie (or for that matter, just about any movie with a decent CG budget).
Someone with a great talent, working diligently for a long, long time can improve the effects in a TOS episode on their own, as Professor Moriarity has. Replace the effects in a movie like Trek XI? No effing way.
Building a mesh of a spaceship is one thing, credibly putting it into an environment and animating it to match what ILM can do - and doing that for the amount of time and with the complexity of shots involved in this movie - is beyond impossible.
So far, there hasn't been a fan-designed mesh that I'd rather see in this movie than the design they're using. Of the ones I've seen, Vektor's and MadKoifish's are the best by many miles. I don't like Gabe's version at all. He's a fine artist, but there's just nothing appealing to me about this particular model.
I thought the first still image of the new NCC-1701 looked a little dodgy. That said, there's not a moment in the trailer where it doesn't look just right - better than right, really, as the design of the shots themselves are dynamic and enormous improvements over the space effects of previous Trek movies. And ultimately these things aren't designed for us to admire in blueprints or photos or to build models of; they've designed to look the best they possibly can in the context of the movie they're designed for. The "Abramsprise" accomplishes that just fine.
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