Do you like ENT or not,why?

[Richard S. Ta]

I think what really hurt ENT is that it was rushed into production. Berman/Braga were burned out and said as much, but they were told that if they didn't wanna do it, someone else could be found.

So they did it.

They should have had a year out and they should have been given the freedom to make the show they wanted to make, but... there it is. It is what it is as they say.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Enterprise is a lot like the Star Wars prequels to me, it's fun to think about, fun to talk about, but not actually fun to watch. I'd love to see them do anything with the actors again though. As bad as it was there was far too much vitriol aimed at the cast and effects people for things that were beyond their control.

I'd say the SW prequels kind of mirrored ENT, in that I liked AotC more than PM and RotS more than AotC, but all three had flaws. Similarly I thought ENT was getting progressively better, and S4 may have overall been 'good' (I haven't watched it in quite some time).

I think that’s the reality of ENT. Everyone likes the idea of a show set after first contact and before the formation of the Federation. The final product did not meet the vision. It was lacking.

At least the SW prequels had a decade to be written, and there was time between each release to improve each installment upon getting feedback from the audience. Not to mention that they were willing to do over the Clone Wars cartoons, to the point they released the premiere of the remake in theatres.

ENT did not have that much time to prepare. It was forced to pivot on the fly. And it just never had that support to get even an animated movie into theatres to remake the story, even years removed from cancellation. It was chosen to reboot the franchise instead.

 

[Dukhat]

I think that’s the reality of ENT. Everyone likes the idea of a show set after first contact and before the formation of the Federation. The final product did not meet the vision. It was lacking.

I'm pretty sure no one was interested in a show set after FC but before the formation of the Federation. That's just what Berman & Braga came up with, presumably after noticing the financial success of the Star Wars prequels.

 

[Oddish]

Enterprise was like Voyager, it refused to go all-in on its premise. As seen here:
* Temporal cold war, totally unnecessary.
* Mentioned the Federation despite it not existing.
* Featured plots that could have worked in any century.
* Featured transporters.
* Featured the same weapons as the Enterprise D did.
* T'Pol's stupid outfit.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Enterprise was like Voyager, it refused to go all-in on its premise. As seen here:
* Temporal cold war, totally unnecessary.
* Mentioned the Federation despite it not existing.
* Featured plots that could have worked in any century.
* Featured transporters.
* Featured the same weapons as the Enterprise D did.
* T'Pol's stupid outfit.

None of those preclude the show from working, though I will concede there are negatives on there.

I think ENT did suffer from a similar thing to VOY though and that was in the constant hammering of the reset button for the first two seasons.

 

[FederationHistorian]

I'm pretty sure no one was interested in a show set after FC but before the formation of the Federation. That's just what Berman & Braga came up with, presumably after noticing the financial success of the Star Wars prequels.

I’m pretty sure post-ENT, everyone realizes a show set post-FC but pre-Federation was a great idea. But it just needed better planning. Much better.

* Temporal cold war, totally unnecessary.

Even though it was cool concept of its own, though more suited for Gary Seven.

* Mentioned the Federation despite it not existing.

“You want to tell everyone that this will give birth to the Federation.” Which is said while watching the birth of the Federation!

* Featured plots that could have worked in any century.

And also plots that could have been extended into multipart episodes or season long arcs.

* Featured transporters.

Which did not malfunction and have accidents enough.

* Featured the same weapons as the Enterprise D did.

Which isn’t really a problem for the other species. Just the Earth ships.

* T'Pol's stupid outfit.

Which would have been less stupid if it was being worn by other Vulcan women. And if they were truly trying to be progressive, Vulcan men as well. Could have even had Earth women, or other species known to Vulcans (Coridan, Agaron, Mazarite, Denobulans) be influenced by Vulcan fashion and wear it.

 

[ED-209]

I think Enterprise had the strongest 1st season of any Trek.

 

[Dukhat]

I’m pretty sure post-ENT, everyone realizes a show set post-FC but pre-Federation was a great idea. But it just needed better planning. Much better.

No. It was not a great idea, and it never was. Fans would have a preconceived notion about what the formation of the Federation was like, and nothing they could have done would have lived up to their expectations. It was doomed from the start.

 

[Victoria]

When ENT started I had problems with Scott Bakula as the lead because he was too closely associated, for me, with Quantum Leap so didn't feel "right". I went away and over the years, saw a few episodes. Some were okay, some were not and I wasn't enticed into wanting to watch any more.
During lockdown I thought I would watch the whole series (and Voyager because I'd never seen all the episodes of that) because how could I claim to be a Trek fan without having watched it? I didn't have a problem with Bakula this time round as QL was so far in the past. What I did have was a problem with was sheer dullness. There were a number of episodes that were themes that had already been done several times and, with each repetition had got weaker. By ENT there was really nothing else to be said. The Temporal War was a mess (I am of the opinion that time travel, like the Mirror Universe and Section 31 is best left to the occasional fun episode as, the more you look at it, the less sense it makes). There were too many dips in the "despite it being said that we've never met the Ferengi/been to the MU/whatever, we are going to put them in ENT" well. I was uncomfortable with the way T'Pol was portrayed. Really, by that date, ST should have known better.
I'm afraid I gave up halfway through season 2 and despite my good intentions, have not been back. There are some good episodes, just not enough. Having said that, I have no quarrel with other people liking ENT or, indeed any other show I don't like personally.

 

[STEPhon IT]

I thought the title "Enterprise" was very lazy; the showrunners could've brainstorm something which would idealized the premise. This was definitely a spinoff of FC and completely ignored the technical schematics of the TOS spacecraft; it solidified Okudagrams and the process which was done since Star Trek IV. Now there's a series set before TOS and has a Warpcore, and after TOS everything Star Trek had a Warpcore which didn't make sense in my head canon. TMP established a Warpcore was lethal and personnel had to wear hazard outfits for their protection*; a deconstruction of TOS tech which was fine because some how between the series and TMP there was some sort of galaxy wide technological collapse.

If there's a prequel with all of TMP essence but is before TOS than I thought the warpcore would be considered dangerous and high risk for the crew. It was never mentioned, I would think if the vessel gets into any sort of battles this element may be of concern? There should've been things in ENT which would support the rise of TOS instead of simply the first to do everything that series had done.

T'Pol's outfit wasn't a problem for me, just like Seven's, if only the men would wear them too. I loved the 1st 2 season outfits from TNG and I think Star Trek is better when the outfits look sexy to compliment the well build physiques of the crew.

*Also, the transporters didn't work either.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I thought the title "Enterprise" was very lazy; the showrunners could've brainstorm something which would idealized the premise. This was definitely a spinoff of FC and completely ignored the technical schematics of the TOS spacecraft; it solidified Okudagrams and the process which was done since Star Trek IV. Now there's a series set before TOS and has a Warpcore, and after TOS everything Star Trek had a Warpcore which didn't make sense in my head canon. TMP established a Warpcore was lethal and personnel had to wear hazard outfits for their protection*; a deconstruction of TOS tech which was fine because some how between the series and TMP there was some sort of galaxy wide technological collapse.

If there's a prequel with all of TMP essence but is before TOS than I thought the warpcore would be considered dangerous and high risk for the crew. It was never mentioned, I would think if the vessel gets into any sort of battles this element may be of concern? There should've been things in ENT which would support the rise of TOS instead of simply the first to do everything that series had done.

T'Pol's outfit wasn't a problem for me, just like Seven's, if only the men would wear them too. I loved the 1st 2 season outfits from TNG and I think Star Trek is better when the outfits look sexy to compliment the well build physiques of the crew.

*Also, the transporters didn't work either.

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If you interpret the Trek Universe as 3x major Timelines that we're watching instead of 2x, it makes ALOT more sense.

Spoiler: Here's a listing of the 3x Major TimeLines that we're witnessing.

Then all the technological incongruities would make more sense, thanks to the various Time-Travel Shenanigans that had a huge Butterfly effect on technology.

 

[helpusdrzaius]

It's the only one of the era which I haven't rewatched, though I may at some point. A few things that come to mind, the long story arc was so poorly executed they had to follow it up with Space Nazis.

I also just don't like the general treatment of T'Pol as a Vulcan. Where she gets the disease that effects her mental/emotional health.

I did generally like the characters and remember enjoying various one off episodes.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I freely admit that I really didn't like ENT during its initial run. I thought the original premise had so much potential, perhaps more so than any other Trek series, but when I saw the creative directions actually taken, I was indeed honestly disappointed. It wasn't that I was expecting a show to look more retro than TOS, but there was so much that I thought I had already seen before just with more retro-sounding names like "phase pistol" and ultimately "photonic torpedoes." I also wished they had forgone the transporter, the Klingons, and Starfleet. It was fair to say that I was on the hate bandwagon, even if I didn't waste a lot of bandwidth on Trekbbs espousing all the things I thought was wrong with the show. ENT was the first (and still only) Trek series I ever gave up on and stopped watching.

Funny how time changes things, however...

While ENT is still my least favorite Trek series, I no longer dislike it at all and can even appreciate most of it. Things I used to complain about seem so trivial and even a bit silly now. I still think the show suffered from network/studio interference as well as some poor creative decisions by its creators, but overall I think it's a worthy origin of the Star Trek Universe and give thumbs up to the occasional nods to it in current productions.

 

[STEPhon IT]

How could anyone complain or dislike a series when the show had that beautiful dog, Porthos. I love Porthos.

 

[Dukhat]

How could anyone complain or dislike a series when the show had that beautiful dog, Porthos. I love Porthos.

Yes, he was definitely one redeeming quality the show had. Plus he needed virtually no character development, something the writers barely gave the rest of the crew.

 

[Dar70]

I really like the show. Sure it had its issues but it did a good job respecting what came before.(most certainly a better job than the current crop of shows) Yeah the first season probably should have mostly been on earth or at least the first half dozen episodes before they went out to the final frontier. But despite that I really enjoyed the show. I do remember I missed a good chunk of season three. I, like some, was also getting a bit burned out on trek. I finally saw all the eps missed with a recent rewatch and had a good time watching the whole show again. Especially the last couple seasons, with only the last episode being a disappointment...

 

[fireproof78]

How could anyone complain or dislike a series when the show had that beautiful dog, Porthos. I love Porthos.

Some people do not enjoy dogs.

 

[DonIago]

I discovered I'd become allergic to them a few years ago. :/

 

[tomalak301]

How could anyone complain or dislike a series when the show had that beautiful dog, Porthos. I love Porthos.

I love Porthos. Cute dog who deserved more screen time.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

yeah we need a show with only Pothouse