Prequels are harder to get right than Sequels... as a rule.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Prequels are harder to get right than Sequels... as a rule.
Because Star Trek isnt Dark Matter, Killjoys, Steampunk or anachronistic.
Absolutely. The only things they would really need to change is that they couldn't have Sarek or Harry Mudd, but as they aren't like their TOS selves that much they can be replaced with any other Vulcan and any other con artist without much difficulty at all. It's weird how many of the show's canon issues actually evaporate if this were the 25th century instead.
Another idea I've been batting around, though this would require a few more changes, is they instead make it a prequel to TNG and make it about the Cardassian War instead. While things like holographic communicators are still too advanced for this era, they fit better there than they do in the TOS era. And Michael Burnham could still be Sarek's adopted daughter, just he adopted her at a point after Spock was in regular contact with him, and therefore wouldn't know his adopted sister. Or they could make her Spock's daughter. Or even Tuvok's.
No they couldn't.
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To be sure, it's not something people usually think about. It's like the first time someone explains to you what a "Chekov gun" is and suddenly you start seeing it pop up in all kinds of stories in really obvious ways that you never noticed before. It's something a normal person takes for granted in most cases, or if they don't, they wind up trying to explain it away with some sort of fridge logic.
Best and possibly most famous examples: the Enterprise-D sickbay, the Battle Bridge, Geordi's visor, Worf's head. Things whose appearances changed noticeably between seasons (or even between episodes) and we just sort of gave it a pass because we knew it was a TV show and probably didn't really need an explanation. There's also the different Enterprise models that Lawman apparently can't tell apart:
I mean, if we aren't going to assume the Enterprise-D's saucer section got 5 meters thicker at the rim and its deflector dish changed shape, pylons got squarer and its hull panels noticeably protruded from the underside of the ship by as much as half a meter between scenes, we're otherwise just assuming that both of these images represent the exact same ship and the variations we see do not actually matter, right?
God, did I hate that second model of the Enterprise. So damn ugly. The big ILM model they built for Encounter at Farpoint was gorgeous.
Vash's return?
Give her a giant revolver and an oversized red coat and have Mudd call her "the humanoid typhoon"
But if the general public needs Trek to be ‘future of now’ why do other future shows exist that are also ‘future of now’ that are doing o.k with an aesthetic more couched in a ‘traditional’ SF set up? The holo displays are about showing off budget, not extrapolating future communications tech (it’s not even that futuristic, the tech to do it now more or less exists, it’s just big and expensive and unnecessary) for example.
I don’t like TOS enough to hold it up as a sacred cow, and I like DSC enough to watch it/defend its corner on occasion. But I don’t buy the argument.
Even ENT had holographic targets that Malcolm would shoot at in the armory. They were crude holograms to be sure but they were projected into the air and displayed dynamic motion, so the idea that 100 years later there'd be slightly more sophisticated tactical simulator rooms on some starships and at other facilities makes at least some sense from a technological evolution standpoint. If we're going to lambaste DSC for a primitive holodeck then we need to first take our grievances to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga for introducing tactical holograms into the Star Trek universe more than 200 years before TNG.
I can live with them for the most part. ENT played with that tech years ago so that horse escaped from the barn long ago.
I can live with them for the most part. ENT played with that tech years ago so that horse escaped from the barn long ago.
But there are so many grievances to take to those two... holograms are the least of it!...
Hey. They were doing the breast they could.
I regard holo communications in Star Trek like 3D movies. Every few decades it goes through some fad.
Thus far, a lot of the science fiction I have read, as well as attempt to write, involve using holo displays because there is an idea of future tech to it. So, I personally see as imagining the future a little bit.
I know I've asked this before, but does it really affect anyone's enjoyment of Discovery if it's the same world as TOS rather than a reboot? That James Frain's Sarek is the exact same guy as Mark Leonard's, instead of another take on the character a la Ben Cross? That Pike's Enterprise is the exact same starship we saw in "The Cage", or another USS Enterprise in the same way we've had a hundred Batmobiles?
Because if that makes or breaks the show, I think you're watching it wrong.
Because if that makes or breaks the show, I think you're watching it wrong.
Don't care one way or another. I've wanted a hard reboot since 2003. BUT I don't think you can't do anything with the Prime Universe.
So, definitely not make or break. I'll take the Producers at their word that it's the Prime Universe but with a visual update, until I see a reason not to. But it wouldn't change what I think of the show.
If it makes a difference to people, then they're watching Star Trek: Discovery because it's Star Trek. Whereas I'm watching it because it's Discovery.
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I would have honestly preffered it to be a reboot, but the producers said it's prime, so that's what it is for me. I would certainly like the show just as much if it weren't prime.
No. But the show isn't really good. So we have not much else to talk about.
For me personally huge inconsistencies irk me and take me out of it.
This is pretty much my feeling about DSC at the moment too. Don’t get me wrong it’s not going to stop me watching, but every so often something in the show will come up and I’ll be like “ah but this happened in TNG” or “wait in that one TOS episode” and I’m reminded that it’s not the Trek I grew up with. There were some nice scenes at the start of Vulcan Hello that I enjoyed - mostly before Burnham ever left the ship. For the rest of the season it’s given my head canon muscles a workout!
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