Nope. Not Prime Timeline. Not even close.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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100 years earlier it was built into Jonathan Archer's communicator.
Factually wrong
End well, this will not.
(*Drinks a fifth of whiskey*)
I'm getting too old for this.
I'm getting too old for this.
McCoy's bean recipe?
And its "secret" ingredient...
Bourbon and canon arguments. An explosive combination!
Your understanding of Xbox vs PlayStation is...lacking detail. If he intended to play with his friends in multiplayer, or was a fan of uncharted, or had been stacking ‘free’ games via a prior PSN account on a PS3, then an Xbox would be next to useless to him, in short there are reasons other than ‘expectations’. Which carries through to your Luke comment...I haven’t seen TLJ yet, and am not looking forward to it, not entirely because of a preformed expectation, but because of how that fits in with what has come before, and because of Star Wars place in mine and other peoples lives. Killing your heroes may be ‘edgy’ but it’s a divergence from the morality play in Star Wars and narratively daft...the battle of good vs evil in Star Wars is falling into ‘evil always wins eventually’ making peace/good into only ever a temporary state. Depressing.
Ultimately you have to ask where these ‘standards’ fans have come from...if it’s entirely internal, or if it’s something set up by franchise history and the producers themselves. A child told he is to receive a PlayStation 4 and told to to set himself up appropriately would be essentially correct to be let down by an Xbox, a Star Wars fan who has expectations of Luke set up by pretty much everything on screen to that point, would be correct to be let down by the TLJ depiction (as was Hamill himself at one point) and a Trek fan expecting something closer to Prime than what we got in DSC is right to be let down. (At first I was, but I can see DSC curving back into keeping that early promise, and see ways for it to be more coherent with Prime...as can many people it seems.) There is a difference between unrealistic expectations set by the individual, and expectations cultivated with intent by a third party.
Anger at someone else feeling let down is daft (that’s British for illogical) and in some expressions just a petty form of tribalisation. Those right behind DSC (or up its shuttlebay) get to reject those who are not from the group...their understanding must be superior because it is theirs. There’s some of that in reverse...if someone can’t see that DSC is clearly the most terrible abomination ever to depict a warp drive, we must reject them from the group, because clearly they don’t get it!
But this all depends on why people have expectations, and how much of our response to that comes down to peeing in a circle. Sensible people can see why people would like DSC, but perhaps not understand why people believe it to be the best thing to ever have a pattern buffer in it and therefore above criticisms as to how it fits into its family, sensible people could recognise how it lets people down and why, whilst not understanding the reasons for how deep that feeling goes, with both recognising this comes from their own lack of understanding about why (a grandparent not understanding the difference between Xbox and PlayStation ecosystems and lineage) as opposed to Tribal chest-beating Rawrrrr.
It's not "evil always wins" it's that the battle between good and evil never ends. Peace will only ever be a temporary state. Which is sad but true.
Plus, there are very few exciting stories to be told in a "happily ever after" setting.
We don’t watch things like Star Wars for ‘sad but true’ though. It’s goodies versus baddies, particularly for kids. My dislike for the Disney Wars is the way it goes about eschewing it’s happily ever after setting (earned in Jedi) by tearing it down outright. I am starting to feel Disney Commitee made Star Wars is like the Talosians rebuilding Vina. It’s a difficult thing to discuss these days, because of the polarisation of our times (some nut jobs can’t handle a female lead, ergo everyone that doesn’t like the new ones must also be the same, and therefore sexist etc....dissenting from the popular view on these films has been made into a political stance. Or we can’t handle ‘realism’. Ahem.) but I feel the point is in the process of being missed, and am in the surprising position of hoping JJ Abrams of all people has a better idea.
I thought Luke's story felt true in TLJ. It made him a richer character. I get the sense many fans upset had a much more idealized take on the character.
But I do agree with the sentiment that RETURN OF THE JEDI is the real ending. Everything else is a "what if", and I'm enjoying it on that level so far.
ROGUE ONE eats shit though.
But I do agree with the sentiment that RETURN OF THE JEDI is the real ending. Everything else is a "what if", and I'm enjoying it on that level so far.
ROGUE ONE eats shit though.
There's a further complication, in that the producers have changed the definition of what is meant by Prime timeline. Up until Discovery, visuals were part of canon. We're now expected to make a distinction between the story itself and how it is actually seen on screen. A split that to my knowledge, no other major franchise has made (with good reason).
So if a child was promised an Playstation 4 for Christmas and got an XBox they might be disappointed. But they'd be even more disappointed if they were promised a PS4, were only given the console and their parents told them they'd redefined the definition of a Playstation to exclude the controller or a television.
That’s kind of the realisation I have come to. Ends at Jedi. Years of never understanding the ‘the prequels never happened’ crowd, and now here we are.
Rogue One is both an excellent job at recreating something, but also shows how shades of gray aren’t the best fit for the Star Wars universe. Rebels? Terrorists? Everyone dies at the end in a story that didn’t really add a huge amount.
I just find it annoying because when I was five, Star Wars was like the most important thing in the world. The thing the prequels got right is embracing the young audience. Obi Wan is a hero! (The rebels tv series is good but gets too dark too quick for its original audience.) The thing the new ones get wrong is this. You get to kill one hero from the preceding Trilogy, and you make the death mean something in its moment (Obi Wan) if you kill all your heroes, and have them fail to achieve anything, then you’ve cocked it.
Shame, cos I really like the new guys...Rey and Finn in particular. But they aren’t getting to do anything heroic, and the old heroes are dropping like flies. The point has been missed.
Lol. Very true to an extent. Now I am just thinking about how sony handled the vita and the vita TV.
Sadly, Star Wars never went that way, even in the films.
But, I'm starting to lean towards you. ROTJ is the end.
I read some of the old EU, was impressed by some of it, but even that was very much in the ‘really? Again?’ Area. And had some very silly or very tonally incorrect ultraviolence in places. Probably cos it was for fans who had grown into teens and then adults.
ROTJ has a party and everyone is full of hope. That’s how these legends work, and Lucas for all his faults, knew that.
I think I understand what you're saying. Personally, I disagree on that. As noted before, I assume that scenes set in the past take place in the pre-altered past unless it's shown otherwise, and more importantly I am positive that the First Contact changed the timeline idea has been disproven, since "Relativity" (VOY) has established that it actually was a predestination paradox (and "Regeneration" [ENT] supports that idea with it's plot), however, I will concede on paper that it's not a bad idea in and of itself.
... thus he becomes angry and incensed that his expectations, based on the assumption he was getting a playstation, remain unmet. He becomes angry, enraged, deeply hurt.
But the Xbox didn't do any of those things to him, nor did the people who gave it to him. It's not like the Xbox controller grew legs, walked over and kicked him in the nuts now did it? Nor did the Xbox hack his account, steal his money and delete all the freebies he thought he was going to play on the PS4. Indeed, he cannot rationally say that the thing he received is a NEGATIVE in any way, because the product still provides him with services and games that he otherwise wouldn't have. They may not be the games he WANTED, but not getting exactly what you want isn't harmful to anyone.
Also, kindly be advised that at this point you are LITERALLY defending the puerile behavior of a ten year old who didn't get his choice of Christmas presents. You are starting down a path that leads only to hilarity.
... which is why the entire rest of your post is invalid.
Remember that time the Rebellion got their asses whupped at the Battle of Hoth, Han Solo got frozen in carbonite, Luke got his hand chopped off by the Emperor's brutal psychotic enforcer only to find out that said psychopath was his father and the Jedi master who had originally trained him and lead him to learn the ways of the force in the first place had been lying to him from the beginning?
Me either. Happily ever after!
... than the movie you didn't bother to watch because of all the butthurt fanboys that told you it was terrible.
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