Was he using his top secret h=d code?He's bad at math. Or still buzzed from all that Romulan Ale.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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Come again? Aside from Vulcans (what with Spock being a regular), Klingons were the most commonly featured alien race in TOS. They were involved in seven different episodes. That's nearly ten percent of the series. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "not well known" here?...
Let's see...we didn't see their government, other planets under their control (or, really, any planet they controlled fully), or anything outside of their military. They are an interplanetary power on par with the Federation and yet they are expected to be static, unchanging and just like TNG era Klingons in their governance, colonies, and the like.
In other words, there is room for expansion upon the Klingon Empire, and not just the idea they are one alien species with unchanging apperances or variation.
Really not my point, but fair enough.
Klingon singing is about as low on my list of priorities as explaining how artificial gravity works.
TOS has room to explore more of the Klingon Empire than just 7 episodes. That's why DISCO is fine by me. It showcases a variety of designs within an interplanetary empire.No, I don't mean the singing bit in particular.
(Long story short: yes it was needed, but OTOH we could've gotten something a lot better than RDM's version...)
I mean, just study plate armor across European history. There is plenty of room for some variety.
Voyager invented from scratch the Super Salamander Transwarp drive, they figured out and adapted the quantum slipstream in a couple of days and they used Borg transwarp too.
Even if it wasn't in their databanks, they'd have discovered and invented it from scratch. Especially with a Borg crewmember whose knowledge spans thousands upon thousands of species - surely one of which would have *some* knowledge of a fungus network that links the multiverse through time and space.
The magical USS Discovery was also a Klingon legend during the war.
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Pretty much - my phone can detect and respond to things that would have required very different equipment and expertise ten years ago - something like the Tricorder would be getting constantly upgraded and refined with new scientific findings.
It would require a bit more than merely 'classified' but I could see it being compatible with Voyager.
Even if a handful of people knew about DASH drives in the 24th century, the question could be asked as to whether they felt it was worth revealing that technology and knowledge solely to retrieve one ship. I'm sure Admiral Paris and Barclay would have used it if they had it, but the Pathfinder project was a few guys in a lab. Starfleet clearly didn't see Voyager's return as that big a priority, and they were in the midst of fighting the Dominion for much of that time. Did the project have access to Starfleet's deepest secrets? I could believe that it was a side project to shut Admiral Paris up, and not all that important in the grand scheme of things from the perspective of somebody trying to keep hidden things hidden.
If it's 10 years before TOS then it's five years after the incident with the Talosians.
Close, but not quite. The Talos IV incident in "The Cage" was described as 13 years before "The Menagerie" — itself midway through TOS season one, broadcast Nov 1966, so typically dated late 2266 or early 2267 — which would place "The Cage" in 2253 or '54. DSC began in May 2256, then jumped six months, then a few episodes later jumped another nine months, putting it currently at roughly Oct 2257.
Nope, see lawman's post.
The DSC Writers consider The Cage to be 2 years before Episode 1, so 2254.
The Caretaker May have been related to the network, and Voyager had plenty of non-Federation but Human crew who would have been able to be adjusted to pilot it. It’s a bit of a plot hole now, especially since they sealed themselves in with it being an indestructible network (insofar as, if you destroy it, you destroy the multiverse. Which means you can’t really just seal it off either.)
Until they figure out why they can destroy it or seal if off. Just like warp drive damaging space/time until it wasn't.
Spore Drive is the Betamax or Laser Disc of propulsion. Technically it was better than what else was out there at the time but it never took off...
... except when it takes off on Discovery. Maybe they never figured out how to use Spore Drive without a sentient being operating it. If "The Ultimate Computer" is anything to go by, Starfleet still had a ways to go in developing artificial intelligence.
Maybe Commander Maddux in "The Measure of a Man" was interested in having Data operate a Spore Drive since, in his mind, it would take the human factor out of operating it.
I honestly think not being able to operate Spore Drive without a living being put the technology on ice.
Voyager having bio-neural gel packs would bring starships one step closer to actually being able to operate Spore Drive without a person being at the center of it and gets around debates over the rights of artificial lifeforms such as Data, Vic Fontaine, or The Doctor.
... except when it takes off on Discovery. Maybe they never figured out how to use Spore Drive without a sentient being operating it. If "The Ultimate Computer" is anything to go by, Starfleet still had a ways to go in developing artificial intelligence.
Maybe Commander Maddux in "The Measure of a Man" was interested in having Data operate a Spore Drive since, in his mind, it would take the human factor out of operating it.
I honestly think not being able to operate Spore Drive without a living being put the technology on ice.
Voyager having bio-neural gel packs would bring starships one step closer to actually being able to operate Spore Drive without a person being at the center of it and gets around debates over the rights of artificial lifeforms such as Data, Vic Fontaine, or The Doctor.
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I just think it should have turned out to be sentient, and promptly buggered off (becoming the caretaker) a much neater solution, that’s very Trek, but now ixnayed by ‘we must save the multiverseeee’
You're right. I was mistaken. Somehow I got the idea that it was fifteen years before "The Menagerie".
Starfleet seemed to be stuck in one form or another of duotronic technology aboard its ships for some 61 years after the disastrous M5 multitronic tests. It wasn't until isolinear optical chips were introduced around 2329 that Starfleet was finally able to move away from the basic computer designs that Dr. Richard Daystrom first designed nearly ninety years before. The failure of multitronics in TOS seems to have been a major stumbling block in the advancement of computer tech within Starfleet that took researchers decades to overcome.
After Trek has no canonical value.
Thing is, what gave Darvin away as a Klingon was his heartbeat and body temperature. If a tricorder can pick this up, than how did a fully-fledged medical computer miss this. I don't care if it is a decade earlier and this is the first person to undergo the process being scanned, how does a computer programmed to scan a person and determine their health miss the fact that their heartbeat and body temperature are wrong. How the hell did Culber not notice this the first time around and flag it? So no, I really can not accept that something that took an extensive job to detect by a computer on one of Starfleet's more advanced starships can be detected by a tricorder in thirty seconds, even if it is a decade later.
Besides, how the hell is turning someone into a whole other species even a practical way to utilize spies? That person is literally only good for one assignment and can't be used ever again. Cosmetic alterations which can be reversed and altered again are the more logical approach as it allows for utilizing the agents for multiple assignments, and at keeping their identity a secret.
Voq Tyler was a one off failure and the process was discarded immediately after. Darvin being the same process as Voq Tyler is an extremely idiotic retcon and does not deserve to be entertained one second further.
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