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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Is it?

  • Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    Votes: 194 44.7%
  • Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    Votes: 147 33.9%
  • I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    Votes: 49 11.3%

  • Total voters
    434
You can dislike it, but it is what it is. Voq was Darvin 1.0. All those things you mentioned are what happens when programs are updated. Ash got a pass on the first go around for being tortured. The program simply lumped any oddities as the result of that. Hell they explained this on screen.

Afterward, its clear the program got refined. A ten year gap will totally do that.
 
Why would they need to do any of that when they can just infect someone with the augment virus then do a little plastic surgery on them?
 
Why would they need to do any of that when they can just infect someone with the augment virus then do a little plastic surgery on them?


Not if it was retconned back out s it seems it was. They acted like there was no such thing, as that would have been the easy way to do it and what most people thought had been done. except it now seems no such thing is around, which is good freaking news.
 
You can dislike it, but it is what it is.
Except, no, it's not. There is literally no on-screen basis for drawing this conclusion. What they "explained" on screen didn't even really make sense for the purposes of its own story, never mind explaining other older stories. You just seem really desperate to treat this as a fait accompli for some reason.

Not if it was retconned back out s it seems it was. They acted like there was no such thing...
...and here's the reason. You have a deep-seated and oft-expressed loathing for ENT's Augment story, so if it "seems" to you that it's been retconned away somehow, you'll seize on that. Even if (again) there's really no on-screen evidence to support that conclusion. For plenty of us, it plainly doesn't seem that way at all. There are any number of possible reasons why the Voq story didn't use the Augment virus that are more plausible than "it never existed."
 
Except, no, it's not. There is literally no on-screen basis for drawing this conclusion. What they "explained" on screen didn't even really make sense for the purposes of its own story, never mind explaining other older stories. You just seem really desperate to treat this as a fait accompli for some reason.

Except we do. We see zero argments even from a house named for one. We do not see it used when it should have been. We do not see it mentioned at all, even when they do talk about the ENT klingon vist.

This is how retcons work. They simply removed it.
 
If the DIS Klingons merely looked like what we got from TNG thru ENT rather than the bald headed variety I wonder how much of an issue this would still be.

I don't think we were ever gonna get smooth headed Klingons again. Heck, I always figured if ENT had not been cancelled we wouldn't have seen the Klingons again for the rest of the show after that augment two-parter, in favor of more Romulan stories and the early formation of the Federation.
 
This is how retcons work. They simply removed it.
We've already had this discussion, but no, this is not how retcons work. You're treating absence of evidence as evidence of absence, which is a classical logical fallacy.

But if you think new fans are gonna demand raciest 60s brownface, I think you are mistaken.
You know, I can't help but wonder if the reason you're so devoted to this obviously motivated reasoning about the Augment story is simply that, bottom line, it's a story that helps make rational sense of what we saw in TOS. And you passionately hate TOS. You can hardly ever refer to it without tossing in some gratuitous slam, as you do here. In your best of all possible worlds, I have little doubt you'd like to see the original Star Trek completed retconned away.

Heck, I'm starting to think it's not just TOS, either... you've made posts suggesting you can't stand pretty much anything at all about the 1960s. It really seems like you disdain anything that's not a product of current trends.

I swear, sometimes it seems as if you exist just for the karmic purpose of diametrically opposing my taste in damn near everything. :rolleyes: You're probably one of those people who thinks Superman's costume looks better without the trunks!...
 
The story is stupid and based off a joke. However that has zero to do with DSC retconning it out.

You want them to say on screen its been removed, but that not how retcons removing things work. They just mske it vanish.

The Ash stoyline simply does not work if the arguments happened.
 
You keep repeating that "based off a joke" thing in reference to DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations," but you do it in a way that suggests you don't understand why and how that joke worked.

It was the kind of joke that came this close to breaking the fourth wall. In that scene, Bashir was obviously a stand-in for the audience — looking at the different Klingons and wondering what's up with that?, just as actual fans had done since 1979. And Worf's response, "We do not talk about it," made him a stand-in for the writers and producers — by way of saying, not that there was no explanation, but that this (this moment, this episode) was not the time or place for an explanation. It was hanging a lampshade on an obvious incongruity about the episode, something that couldn't be avoided but also couldn't be explained at the moment without going off on a tangent from the actual story being told. Playing it off with humor was the most elegant solution, and fit with the tone of the episode as a whole.

That's not to say that an explanation couldn't be offered in a different story, if a suitable opportunity arose. And, in ENT, obviously it did. Different context, different goals, and hence a different approach, and it worked just fine both times, without breaking continuity either time.

BTW, you haven't responded about what you think of Superman's trunks (which are making a long-overdue return in the upcoming Action #1000!). 'Fess up now! ;)
 
Right. That's all it was. Because the people who'd gone to incredible effort and expense to painstakingly re-create the look of TOS for the sake of an affectionate episode-long homage obviously just wanted to point and laugh at it with disdain. :rolleyes:
 
Well, hey, I study politics and policy for a living. I'm well aware that lots of people demonstrate irrational preferences! ;)
 
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