Discovery's lead character will be referred to in the series as “Number One”

[Tim Thomason]

I'm not debating that (hence "other than exposition"). I was just countering your point that we actually saw what a tactical genius he was; he was anything but in that episode of TOS. Even a friggin' psych major was able to thwart his plans.

Garth may have been a tactical genius in his heyday, but by the time of "Whom Gods Destroy" he was a completely insane megalomaniac hellbent on ruling the Galaxy.

If Garth appears in Discovery, it would be in a transitional state, probably right after his galactic fame as a tactician and before his complete descent into madness.

 

[OpenMaw]

It only counts a little. Contradicting something that's been stated but not shown is the easiest thing in the world.

That much is certain, of course, but one most also consider the source, and in this instance the source for most of our impression of Garth before his disease is from KIrk.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I always thought that Picard used the "Number One" nickname as an affectation, because he was an old-fashioned kind of guy. In the Pike era, it was probably the norm, but fell from use in Kirk's generation. That makes it a nice, period touch.

 

[Oso Blanco]

We have already had two notable characters that have went by "Number One".

Was the Number One from The Cage really that notable? I don't think anyone outside the Star Trek fandom remembers her, let alone her name/designation. Most people probably never watched The Cage anyway, and barely remember The Menagerie (the most remembered character here would be beep-beep Pike).

Ask some random people on the street who "Number One" on Star Trek was, and they will tell you that it was Riker and that there never was another character going by that nickname.

 

[locutus101]

I'm not debating that (hence "other than exposition"). I was just countering your point that we actually saw what a tactical genius he was; he was anything but in that episode of TOS. Even a friggin' psych major was able to thwart his plans.

Well, maybe we can blame that on prolonged captivity in a loony bin.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Was the Number One from The Cage really that notable? I don't think anyone outside the Star Trek fandom remembers her, let alone her name/designation. Most people probably never watched The Cage anyway, and barely remember The Menagerie (the most remembered character here would be beep-beep Pike).

Ask some random people on the street who "Number One" on Star Trek was, and they will tell you that it was Riker and that there never was another character going by that nickname.

Fandom studying minutia works both ways.

We learnt all this shit, so when we'll notice call backs in Discovery it's "hey, awesome" but when noobz who just joined up for this life, start treading back over the other 546 hours of Star Trek because Discovery was good, really good, really-really good, but the next ten episodes of Discovery are not due out for another 320 days... They'll see number one and Klingons, phasers and Romulans, they'll say "I did not know that they didn't make this up a year ago, how cool."

10 hours a year?

####?

Don't they know that we are junkies?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Was the Number One from The Cage really that notable? I don't think anyone outside the Star Trek fandom remembers her, let alone her name/designation. Most people probably never watched The Cage anyway, and barely remember The Menagerie (the most remembered character here would be beep-beep Pike).

Ask some random people on the street who "Number One" on Star Trek was, and they will tell you that it was Riker and that there never was another character going by that nickname.

That blonde woman on Mars that Doctor Franklin banged?

 

[locutus101]

That blonde woman on Mars that Doctor Franklin banged?

He did?

 

[OpenMaw]

That blonde woman on Mars that Doctor Franklin banged?

I understood that reference. I give you a customary Babylon Salute.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"You know how I like the lights."

Marcus playing with his staff, while we could hear them moaning in the boackground.

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[mos6507]

Was the Number One from The Cage really that notable? I don't think anyone outside the Star Trek fandom remembers her

Obscure callbacks is something the Discovery team wants to do regardless of how many people out there "get" the reference or not--witness the Discovery ship design being a wink and nod to a design that wasn't even really used (besides as filler junk in the background). Might want to just get used to it. They aren't doing these things based on some sort of clinical study of pop-cultural impact.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Obscure callbacks is something the Discovery team wants to do regardless of how many people out there "get" the reference or not--witness the Discovery ship design being a wink and nod to a design that wasn't even really used (besides as filler junk in the background). Might want to just get used to it. They aren't doing these things based on some sort of clinical study of pop-cultural impact.

I know, and I don't have a problem with that. I only responded to a poster who said it wasn't a good idea to have another Number One when we already had two "notable" Number One's before. My point was that when the general audience is concerned, there was only one Number One ... and that was Riker.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Was the Number One from The Cage really that notable? I don't think anyone outside the Star Trek fandom remembers her, let alone her name/designation. Most people probably never watched The Cage anyway, and barely remember The Menagerie (the most remembered character here would be beep-beep Pike).

Ask some random people on the street who "Number One" on Star Trek was, and they will tell you that it was Riker and that there never was another character going by that nickname.

Notable? Not really. She was only in one episode. It's the way they played her that was kind of interesting. She was Spock. The suppressed emotions thing that became Spock's trademark was her character originally. As the Talosians described, "The female you call Number One has the superior mind and will produce highly intelligent offspring." Why is that? Is she just smart or is there something else.
I think the potential to tell stories from Pike's command of the Ent is the more interesting possibility, although they would need to "Crusher-ize" Spock for a season or 2 since his presence would invite too much comparison, and they'd have to cast another young Spock and it's kind of soon to do that. Number One and Spock also sharing similar personality traits might make having both redundant.
Kirk: Chris, do you want them to go back and tell stories from your time as captain?
Pike: beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Normal human beings thinking about being Trekkies say, I MUST START AT THE VERY BEGINNING SO IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!

That's the Cage.

 

[locutus101]

Normal human beings thinking about being Trekkies say, I MUST START AT THE VERY BEGINNING SO IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!

That's the Cage.

The Very beginning is Broken Bow...

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Very beginning is Broken Bow...

Well, if that's the case, the very beginning (that we see of) is the 1893 portion of "Time's Arrow".

 

[locutus101]

Well, if that's the case, the very beginning (that we see of) is the 1893 portion of "Time's Arrow".

Well, In that case maybe it's the Robin Hood thing in Q-Pid...

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Very beginning is Broken Bow...

Yup, that is exactly how I have my DVDs organized.

My Babylon 5 also starts with the movie In The Beginning.

Noobz don't have nerds to hold their hands so well to navigate all the pitfalls most of the time.

Besides, TOS is so much more forgiveable than ENT because it was made during an era of ignorant thugs. Oh. Wait? That's right. Sorry.

 

[locutus101]

Yup, that is exactly how I have my DVDs organized.

My Babylon 5 also starts with the movie In The Beginning.

Noobz don't have nerds to hold their hands so well to navigate all the pitfalls most of the time.

Besides, TOS is so much more forgiveable than ENT because it was made during an era of ignorant thugs. Oh. Wait? That's right. Sorry.

Yeah, compared to us they had a lot to learn back then.

 

[Christopher]

Well, if that's the case, the very beginning (that we see of) is the 1893 portion of "Time's Arrow".

Actually it would be that bit in "Death Wish" where Quinn takes Voyager back to the Big Bang.