I've known a couple of Latinas who look similar. One's my wife.How does this character turn into a black or latina female?
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I agree using it a third time seems redundant drama-wise. This might mean we're in for a surprise. Herc from Ain't it Cool News said at the event Fuller said the rank of the lead is Lt. Commander. Then he leaned over and whispered to him "But she'll have many ranks". This is in his talkback thread on the site from the day of the announcement.I understand the historical usage. We have already had two notable characters that have went by "Number One". If it isn't "The Cage" Number One, I honestly don't see the point. You can have more subtle callbacks to what came before.
Madam President! (On Supergirl)I've known a couple of Latinas who look similar. One's my wife.
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I've known a couple of Latinas who look similar. One's my wife.
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Come on. He's not the Goddamn Batman.I estimate 35% losses taking Garth down (yeah I made that up). It would be the most devastating mutiny in the history of Starfleet. He would most likely anticipate the whole mutiny and be ready for them. It might even take a joint op between multiple CREWS. Only when his supporters see how far gone he is would they turn and join the mutiny and defeat him.
Ok, my hopes are dangerously high. If Garth is not captain, someone must promise to make this into a fan film. Written by Trek BBS. :-D
^ Uh, dude... she IS the actress who played Wonder Woman.![]()
I just watched the other day and it's what Kirk says about his history that defines Garth's greatness. By the time we meet him, he's been interred for a long time, is out of touch, and that much crazier.
What did we ever see that made you think he was a genius, other than exposition?
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/76084
There's also this! Nicholas Meyer to write the second episode of the show!
I figure it went down like this:
Gath: Kill these fools who refuse to bow before Lord Garth!
Number One and his security team blast Garth with phasers. Garth collapses.
Number One: Haul this crazy ass mother fucker to the brig.
( In my head canon, Number One is played by Samuel L. Jackson)
Erm... Does exposition suddenly not count?
Most likely Roddenberry picked it up from the Horatio Hornblower novels that were part of his inspiration for Star Trek, and had Pike use it to address his first officer in the original pilot.
I'm not debating that (hence "other than exposition"). I was just countering your point that we actually saw what a tactical genius he was; he was anything but in that episode of TOS. Even a friggin' psych major was able to thwart his plans.I think they said so themselves. It was either Kirk or Spock that said that he was brilliant or a genius or something to that effect.
From the handful of the Hornblower books I've read (not all of them), the term "Number One" is never uttered. First Lieutenants in the book are usually referred to as the "First Lieutenant."
"Number One's letting us have the second cutter," said Danvers. - Mr. Midshipman Hornblower, 1950
"What d'ye think Number One'll do?" asked Bush - Lieutenant Hornblower, 1952
Those are the only two isolated incidents I could find in Horatio Hornblower novels, so I'm not sure how much of an influence they may have had on Roddenberry (or Meyer), outside of other sources.
Horatio Hornblower, of course, is a character famous from rising from a lowly Midshipman to a famous ship Captain to (eventually) Admiral of the Fleet. From what little I know, Discovery's Number One seems to be in the same vein. Lieutenant Hornblower itself seems to be a good outline for a potential Garth/Number One Discovery series.
I will enjoy learning about the Klingon Napoleon.
I'm not debating that (hence "other than exposition"). I was just countering your point that we actually saw what a tactical genius he was; he was anything but in that episode of TOS. Even a friggin' psych major was able to thwart his plans.
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