Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by JoaquinSlowly, Jan 18, 2022.
Are we still talking about Trek at this point???
... I'm speechless... (These people really think Burnharm changed her haircut at least 4 times and made her hair grow to her shoulders in less than a year?)
people were injecting themselves with horse dewormer a short while ago so at this point nothing surprises me...
I'm wondering if people like Midnight's edge or Doomcock really believe in all these nonsense or they are doing it only for the views. It's sad in both options
Of course they don't. They're just taking advantage of idiots to make money. Do they like anything new? Nope, just the old stuff. So they can rage and rant about anything and everything, and middle aged white men and young incels will eat it up and get them ad money.
Since I don't have the body for Onlyfans, I really wish I'd thought of it.
I'm sure they don't, it's just that enraged fandom brings views and thus money. It's not happening in star trek only, by the way, the same is going on in the star wars fandom and even in areas totally different, such as apple products.
Thinking of it, it really helps if the "franchise" of affection has an "original creator" that's either dead (Gene Roddenberry, Steve Jobs) or no longer in control (George Lucas): he can then be deified and everyone else i charge is just an usurper that "doesn't get it".
I don't even think they're actually fans of Star Trek at all: old, new, or in-between. They just say all the right things that they know the neckbeards want to hear, to keep the clicks coming in.
I’ve seen people claiming that some of the Hate-Youtubers confessed in private that they actually LIKE the new Trek shows and only pretend not to like them because Youtube’s algorithm brings more clicks (and thus money) for outrage videos with titles in all caps than calm and nice ones that state facts.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if this was true.
Making profit from the worst instincts of people.
Something to be proud of.
People have built political careers on it…
I don't doubt they pretend to hate these shows, but they're also not cool enough to like them either. They strike me as the type of people who'd like to see a Macho Asshole Star Trek (they'd love NuKirk in the 2009 Film if they allowed themselves to). The stuff they think is cool, but really isn't. So I genuinely can't see those types liking Discovery Season 4 which wears its feelings on its sleeve, something like Prodigy, or a show about someone in his 90s like Picard. If they ever claim to like "The Inner Light", they're lying.
I think they're what I said: not into these shows, but saw something similar to Star Wars, spanning three generations of content, with a fandom who feels similarly about each.
Original SW Trilogy and Original ST "Trilogy" (TOS, TNG, and DS9... plus VOY, "but that's for girls!")
Prequel SW Trilogy and Prequel ST (ENT)
Sequel SW Trilogy and New ST (Disco, Picard, etc.)
Not the way we split up generations of Star Trek, but that's how they'd convert it to fit the Star Wars mold. Then they just plug in the same formula and played up hatred for the most recent material.
If they treat Strange New Worlds like they treat The Mandalorian, it'll be almost 1:1. Didn't a lot of Fandom Menacers love Pike during DSC Season 2? I like Pike too, but they seemed like they were almost orgasmic about him.
That might not be the best example given it's a wig...
In the end the result is the same whether they secretly like the shows or not - they saw an opportunity to make money through hate clicks and they took it. They saw the dislike in certain nerd circles towards Disco, adopted some lessons from the infamous “tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth” and “we have always been at war with […]” and “alternative facts” textbook and there you go, perfect grifting scheme they can now use for all the new Trek shows - they use the same arguments, the same “the show has been canceled”, “the merch won’t sell”, “test audiences walked out”… it repeats itself over and over, no matter which show they’re talking about. It’s basically like this: People with a keen sense for what makes YouTube money meet an outraged gatekeeper nerdbro base that has to be constantly kept riled up with videos. A match made in heaven. Or rather, hell.
And yes they were somewhat lenient regarding Pike (although they did complain about him being “constantly questioned and yelled at by women”, which is interestingly but not surprisingly the same nonsense they spread about Jean-Luc in PIC), but I expect for this to change once SNW comes out. They won’t make nearly half as much money through videos with good feedback, after all. They’ll change their tune, it’ll go from “let’s be cautious about this…” to “Okay this is seriously not good what are they doing to Pike” to “This is NOT MY TREK, they are turning him into a [nonsensical sexist insult here]”. It’s more or less the road they took with Jean-Luc in PIC, although they’ll have less to go on here since Pike wasn’t as much of a main character as Jean-Luc. They’ll therefore adjust their approach slightly but in the end I very, very much doubt we’ll see them praising SNW.
Not sure about this: they *do* tend to praise LDS and their Star Wars equivalent seem to like mandalorian.
I see what you're saying.
Though -- in their minds -- if they want to keep things 1:1, they have to have Star Trek's Mandalorian, which brings me to what @jackoverfull said...
That makes sense. Lower Decks reminds them of TNG, which they think of as Star Trek's The Empire Strikes Back, and seems to embrace it. Plus it spoofs Star Trek and they love spoofs. Whereas with Picard, it's more like "MOCK OUTRAGE!!! What have they done to Picard?!?!! It's like the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy!"
The fact that Lower Decks is animated allows them to separate it from the live-action Star Trek shows. Just like The Mandalorian being an actual TV show allows them to separate it from the new Star Wars movies.
Most of NuTrek had super-straight Captains so far:
NuKirk (even had a threesome with two alien-asian cat-babes!), Lorca (pre-reveal), Cpt. Pike, Picard, Cabrera. These shows are "controversial".
In Lower Decks, the straight white man is a fragile, emotional nerd, the captain is a black woman, and Mariner kicks ass. Fandom generally loves it.
Hell - even Discovery got a lot more positive reactions since Burnham is the actual Captain.
It helps to separate the criticism from the OUTRAGE YOUTUBERS (recessive, sometimes racist dickheads) from the actual, much harder to quantify echoe from the general fanbase (as seen on various boards, subreddits, comments...), where a lot of the criticism generally boils down to "dumb writing".
You make VERY GOOD points.
I’ll add that I’ve seen some people criticising lower decks for mariner (“the black woman”) being always right and Boimler (“the white man”) always wrong, but not that many, and especially not after the show took its time to actually develop those characters, making them complex and giving them nuance.
In fact, given how clever LDS’s writing generally is, I wouldn’t been surprised if they were written in the first episodes just with the idea to cause that kind of criticism.
When people can nail down criticism then it makes more sense, usually because of engagement. But, aside from here, what I see is a lot of "Nu Trek sucks!" Here is a different place. Other places I see are less so inclined.
Well, the "nu trek sucks" people definitely exist and are obviously hopeless. They seem to be less present when LDS is concerned, though, which I find fascinating.
I do wonder if that is because it is animated.
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