It just always reminded me of a garden shovel with warp nacelles. I did like the Nova-class, it was pretty slick.
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It just always reminded me of a garden shovel with warp nacelles. I did like the Nova-class, it was pretty slick.
Yes! I'll sign that petition. Oh, wait, my warp core just went critica...
As a fan and a bit of an artist, I often think 'I could do better' and usually that is bravado. In this case, I am pretty sure that I could take that basic hunk of junk and improve it. Largely by making it not look like a KTnga and an Excelsior had a baby. It's going to be too flat. The e suffered from that but at least it was an accident.
You know, that's exactly what I thought. And more spoon like than even the d was in profile. But the. The details kick in, all those windows...it grows on you..and the halls and engineering...
I think some give the Klingon design too little credit. It's a really great design and far from a simple V with nacelles, best design of the TOS era IMHO. The DSC is different and no Klingon bastard consulted on its design. I don't see it. I just see the next look of Trek.
Now turn it upside down and glass blow that saucer into a thin neck and bulb. Boom. One Klingon bastard.
It's just not starfleet enough, and starfleet covers a wide range.
It's stanchions are its biggest issue.
I'll stop you right there. You're right, I did make a mistake in my last post by not including another "most" in the last part in that of the majority of people saying they "love" it, or more correctly of the majority of people you're mistaking claiming to say they "love" it, most of them have actually only say that they're "okay" with it.
Regardless, the brunt of my post remains true: It's a very slim minority of people claiming that they love it. The vast, vast majority of people either hate it, dislike it, or at best are okay/tolerate it and will wait to see if it improves. Your blind belief to the contrary notwithstanding.
Most people in the world haven't seen the ship.
Wow, you really nailed the character. I feel like I'm really debating with a Klingon. Any stats or polling data to confirm your findings? I'd be especially interested in how (and why) you differentiate between hate/dislike and okay/tolerate. And portraying my opinion as blind belief is a nice touch. Unless you have something to back up your claim, it is simply your opinion which is fine. Attacking others for theirs is not. Hailing frequencies closed.
Amongst those who have and who've commented here and elsewhere. Which, you know, if you weren't too busy being in denial about reality, you'd have realized was an assumed part of the whole discussion. But hey, thanks for proving my point all the more.
Nope, just the keen ability to not confuse my personal opinion or feelings on something as being the definitive opinion or feelings on something. I know that I can think something and be in the minority about it. Apparently, not everyone can. Case in point...
But as an artist you understand that most complex objects are developed from simpler forms. "It's just not starfleet" is the part you post-TNG'ers are going to have to adjust to. We old Klingons remember the pains of the D class intro. A dental lab in space is what one reviewer called it. Now it's iconic, and one day so will Discovery
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I don't like the ship look. It looks disproportionate and unshapely. It looks a piece of modern art, lol. I don't think it looks nice even independent of context and timeframe. It looks more advanced than the Constitution ship in context, so that's slightly irksome.
But I've not liked ships in other series and I've gone on the enjoy those series well enough. So I'll choose to see this series in that way as well.
But I've not liked ships in other series and I've gone on the enjoy those series well enough. So I'll choose to see this series in that way as well.
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I predate TNG myself thanks xD. I think they haven't moved past the simple forms enough, and the established design language doesn't make it read as federation. That and the odd details like the frames on the bussards seem...anachronistic.
We only have one ship to base those feelings on. The Federation is supposed to be this huge collection of worlds, there should be all kinds of ships that don't share a design language.
Well, starfleet shares a common design language, I should have been clearer. And the discovery does follow it...except in that secondary hull through to engines. There it is out of touch, except as a massive simplification of stuff we see much later chronologically, like the galaxy class. But it has no curves breaking up the shape, and it makes its primary hull seem incongruous. I like the deco styling on the underside, but the engines and the overall shape is clunky, too industrial.
Look how many straight lines the TOS Ent has. I think they mean for Discovery to be a much older ship, like 30-40 years older considering the Ent is already in service for more than a decade.
The TOS enterprise has far less straight lines that at first seems apparent though, it's all tapers and only the nacelles and struts are straight. Discovery actually looks newer, largely cos of that deflector. It actually makes more sense for it to be newer in a way, as yes the enterprise is about 20 years old.
The nx 01 is reflected in the bussard collectors though, so yes it seems to be older. I think a few tiny tweaks would fix so much without totally trashing the design. They clearly want it to be that shape, and the appearance of its cousins in the background in chronologically later Trek certainly give some reason to that choice. Maybe someone could clean the dust off an give it a pearl coat while they are at it.
I'm hoping that the newly reimagined pre-refit design will help show why DSC looks clunkier. And yes, there's no way to know if or to what degree they will redesign 1701, but I think they will. I posted before that Trekyards youtube channel said they have knowledge they can't share yet, and one of them slipped enough to say that the DSC is indeed much older than the Constitution class. Interesting if true.
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