Discovery itself

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

I think people were expecting a super-detailed amped up version of what we saw in the TNG era. But in Matt Jeffries original design he said the surface would be relatively detail-free since they don't want to go outside to fix stuff all the time.

Again, none of that is what (most) people are complaining about.

The two biggest flaws are the damned TRIANGLE and the TINY SAUCER. They look ridiculously bad. But as much crap on them as you want, remove as much crap from them as you want, paint them any color you want, and they will still look like complete and utter shit. It's a core, fundamental design flaw. It has nothing to do with anything else about it. In fact, I personally like the coloration and detail we saw of it in the teaser. But the basic shape and look of the ship is vomit-inducing.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I can't wait to see the interior. I think opinions will become even more polarized when we get to see the interior design, costuming and props. And of course, makeup.

I'm wondering if there will be a soft light filter across the eyes/face of all the fair maidens

 

[eyeresist]

The two biggest flaws are the damned TRIANGLE and the TINY SAUCER.

I don't think the saucer is tiny, it's just that the engineering hull and nacelles are oversized (possibly due to mission parameters).
Also, I think it's more accurate to call the "triangle" a "V". Kind of like the body of a flying-V guitar.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Again, none of that is what (most) people are complaining about.

The two biggest flaws are the damned TRIANGLE and the TINY SAUCER. They look ridiculously bad. But as much crap on them as you want, remove as much crap from them as you want, paint them any color you want, and they will still look like complete and utter shit. It's a core, fundamental design flaw. It has nothing to do with anything else about it. In fact, I personally like the coloration and detail we saw of it in the teaser. But the basic shape and look of the ship is vomit-inducing.

But given the fact that many of us love it, I would call it a matter of preference, not a flaw. I've been an illustrator and designer most of my life, and I see an interesting design with zero vomit-inducing attributes. I would go even farther to state that I was wishing for a design like this after discovering the McQuarrie designs for the first time a year or 2 ago.
But I sympathize. I hated the D for years even though TNG is nearest and dearest to me.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

I'm wondering if there will be a soft light filter across the eyes/face of all the fair maidens

I think they used the vaseline on the lens trick for that. Can you imagine smearing petroleum on those expensive commercial cameras? It was effective in its day though. Now they just use detail lighting to brighten the eye area while the rest is toned done by subtle, low contrast shadows.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

But given the fact that many of us love it

And that would be where you're mistaking. A few of "you" (ie, not limited to this sycophantic forum) "love" it. And of those few of "you" who "love" it, that "love" is actually "tolerate/okay with it."

 

[Tim Thomason]

And that would be where you're mistaking. A few of "you" (ie, not limited to this sycophantic forum) "love" it. And of those few of "you" who "love" it, that "love" is actually "tolerate/okay with it."

Or it might be the other way around. Who knows.

It's too early to tell for me. I haven't seen the real ship yet.

 

[Kemaiku]

I think it's about time we had a ship we really had to work hard to even tolerate the look of.

They can't all be beautiful.

 

[Kor]

Am I the only one thoroughly disgusted by the fact that they simply dusted off a pre TNG enterprise D ship sketch and reused it for discovery?

Using a real star trek ship would have been far far better. And besides there are SO MANY of canon ships that have never gotten much screen time, that they could have used anything say a Daedulus or hermes or saladin..

It was not a pre-TNG Enterprise D design.

Dude, know your Star Trek history. The Discovery is based on the proposed Enterprise refit of the 1970s, as designed by the legendary Ralph McQuarrie. It's a fitting homage to what has come before.

Technically, Ralph McQuarrie did the artwork, but it was a Ken Adams design.

Kor

 

[BillJ]

I think it's about time we had a ship we really had to work hard to even tolerate the look of.

We already had Voyager.

 

[Kemaiku]

We already had Voyager.

*eye twitch* please don't mention that...thing again.

 

[BJ Wagner]

I'm keeping my hopes up that the final design will be a bit more refined, but the clunky look has grown on me a bit. It's kind of like an A-10 Thunderbolt. It's lacks so much of the elegance that is seen in everything else that's come before, that I actually like it.

 

[Commander Keiran MacDuff]

I demand FIVE nacelles or I am walking away FOREVER.

 

[Mr Awe]

Ron Moore said he took it hard, because the refit was (in narrative terms) the original ship, and now it was gone forever.

That's interesting. I had the same exact reaction. A real disappointment because the original TOS ship was gone. Seemed like we'd been through so much together and had grown up together. I'd forgotten this reaction, buried by lots of time, but you writing this reminded me of my reaction upon seeing ST3. I didn't have the same reaction when the ENT D was destroyed.

Mr Awe

 

[Kevin Wolff]

That's interesting. I had the same exact reaction. A real disappointment because the original TOS ship was gone. Seemed like we'd been through so much together and had grown up together. I'd forgotten this reaction, buried by lots of time, but you writing this reminded me of my reaction upon seeing ST3. I didn't have the same reaction when the ENT D was destroyed.

Mr Awe

I wasn't a big TOS fan till later so I looked at it more critically, like how they wasted the destruction by not having more than a handful of people to evac. Still, Generations had all of that but still didn't resonate either. Also losing the ship while Picard was away was like your friend borrowing your car and totaling it, with your cat in it By my count, this is Picard's 2nd court martial too, which kind of craps on his rep.

 

[Commander Keiran MacDuff]

Can we all agree that they need to stop blowing up ships all the time?

 

[Kevin Wolff]

I don't think the saucer is tiny, it's just that the engineering hull and nacelles are oversized (possibly due to mission parameters).
Also, I think it's more accurate to call the "triangle" a "V". Kind of like the body of a flying-V guitar.

Flying V, yes! I was thinking something like that too. Started humming 80's power ballads.
In order to use the V shape as the drive section, going any larger with the saucer would then make it look weird in my opinion.

Part of it is I trust Fuller as a show-runner. He's among the most unique in terms of design, and he has real "in the trenches" Trek experience. I used to wonder why it was that while Voyager was abandoning continuity and going off the rails (Braga), it was also becoming the best looking Trek in the last couple seasons with some of the most unique alien and set designs of any of the TNG era trek and including ENT (Fuller).

 

[jaime]

I'm wondering if there will be a soft light filter across the eyes/face of all the fair maidens

And the captain. I wonder if that's why lens flares were such a thing. They all saw the shat spot lights and...

 

[jaime]

We already had Voyager.

I wasn't sure about the intrepid, but over the years...as a whole package...I think it's my favourite ship. Though the galaxy and the refit fight with it a fair bit.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

And that would be where you're mistaking. A few of "you" (ie, not limited to this sycophantic forum) "love" it. And of those few of "you" who "love" it, that "love" is actually "tolerate/okay with it."

If I or anyone else was just ok with it, we'd say that instead of saying we love it. I say what I mean because I came here for a free exchange of opinion and ideas, not to push an agenda. I want to hear everyone's OPINION. Even yours although to a lesser extent right now (joking). C'mon, as fans we've got to do our best to represent the Trek ideal here in the crappy 21st century. If we bully people or force our opinions on them they'll leave and TrekBBS suffers for it. Peace and long life, brother.