Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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So, Liam Neeson was Natira then, eh? Who played the Dr. McCoy role?So, uh...the Orville saved an alien generation ship piloted by Liam Neeson tonight.
Still shooting at Klingons over here?
Looked like Star Trek, sounded like Star Trek, and felt like Star Trek.
I mean you can keep trying to claim otherwise, but the evidence is kind of against you here.
Not really. Star Trek is a brand, not just a "feeling."
That really does depend on who you ask.
Legally, yes, you're right. It is a brand.
To a number of fans, it's most definitely a feeling, a time and a place, memories. Star Trek for me will always be sitting in front of my TV at the age of five, watching the Klingons do battle with V'ger while building the Enterprise out of legos. My action figures going down to the planet (my bed) to investigate the strange alien life form (My turtle).
Orville does in my respects capture the essence and nostalgia of TNG and TOS better than Discovery has so far. Discovery has a very specific tone of voice that is darker and harder edged than the classic series.
I am finding a great deal to enjoy about Orville thus far, and i'm rather surprised the series isn't laden with more dick and fart jokes. Seth Macfarlane's love of Trek and Science Fiction is pushing further into the creative idea behind the show instead of his lower brow sense of humor. Not that I mind low brow humor, I enjoy Family Guy and American Dad, but Orville has the opportunity to be something more than just a space comedy.
Hell, this could be Coke vs Pepsi if you want to use a goofy beverage metaphor.
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No, it's not canon Trek, but if you gave the ship nacelles, and the crew wore Starfleet uniforms it would be hard to tell it from Trek. Except for the dick jokes. And there is more humor in real world workplaces than on Trek sometimes. Including dick jokes. So I'm not sure that's a bad thing.
I think you just hammered home the issue with Trek for a while now. It doesn't matter if something feels like Trek, so long as the ships have nacelles and the people wear delta badges.
So far, from what I've seen, I'm finding that The Orville captures the feel of Trek much better than Discovery.
The biggest "Trek" factor in Discovery is that they can use Trek terminology. Other than that, it's really just ok.
It's not bad. It had some decent action. But from the dark/gritty scenery to the downer plots, this show does not capture the optimism of Trek.
I hate the new Klingons. They only changed the look for the sake of changing the look. I don't think this adds anything. They claim this takes place in the prime universe, 10 years before Man Trap, but it just doesn't fit.
Klingons wouldn't have had cloaking technology yet. The first encounter with cloaked ships was Balance of Terror. And enough with the subtitles. I don't want to read Star Trek.
The creative decision to do a prequel for a pilot was an interesting idea. It would have been like starting TNG with Picard's last mission on Stargazer or Kirk on Farragut.
I liked that.
But I find that the show's dark scenery, bad uniforms, awful Klingons, and inability to fit in the prime universe to be taking the show down.
The Orville on the other hand is surprising me. I would think the show with Braga involved would be the worse one, but in spite of that handicap, I find that The Orville has the right mix of lighting and optimism that really was what Trek was all about.
I don't like 90 percent of the humor. That's the bad part. The show is struggling to decide if it's a comedy. When the show is focusing on adventure and sci-fi, it really is very good.
Of course it benefits from not having continuity issues.
I continue to watch Orville with great interest.
The biggest "Trek" factor in Discovery is that they can use Trek terminology. Other than that, it's really just ok.
It's not bad. It had some decent action. But from the dark/gritty scenery to the downer plots, this show does not capture the optimism of Trek.
I hate the new Klingons. They only changed the look for the sake of changing the look. I don't think this adds anything. They claim this takes place in the prime universe, 10 years before Man Trap, but it just doesn't fit.
Klingons wouldn't have had cloaking technology yet. The first encounter with cloaked ships was Balance of Terror. And enough with the subtitles. I don't want to read Star Trek.
The creative decision to do a prequel for a pilot was an interesting idea. It would have been like starting TNG with Picard's last mission on Stargazer or Kirk on Farragut.
I liked that.
But I find that the show's dark scenery, bad uniforms, awful Klingons, and inability to fit in the prime universe to be taking the show down.
The Orville on the other hand is surprising me. I would think the show with Braga involved would be the worse one, but in spite of that handicap, I find that The Orville has the right mix of lighting and optimism that really was what Trek was all about.
I don't like 90 percent of the humor. That's the bad part. The show is struggling to decide if it's a comedy. When the show is focusing on adventure and sci-fi, it really is very good.
Of course it benefits from not having continuity issues.
I continue to watch Orville with great interest.
I've hit a point in life were I don't like labels on things "feeling" a certain way. I don't expect something to "feel" like Star Trek. The closest I could describe it would be looking for more of a sense of adventure an optimism about humanity, so I guess that's as close to "feeling" like Star Trek as I could describe it. Maybe Orville fits that description-personally, I don't think so, even though it is a great and fun show.
So, uh...the Orville saved an alien generation ship piloted by Liam Neeson tonight.
Still shooting at Klingons over here?
So, Liam Neeson was Natira then, eh? Who played the Dr. McCoy role?
I thought it was The Starlost, created by Cordwainer Bird (aka Harlan Ellison).
It's not a versus. I selfishly want both. MacFarlane is doing one 'classic' style of Trek, and very successfully. I want DSC to get its act together and provide another (for want of a better, lazier term: latter DS9-serialized). The two can hopefully co-exist. And isn't that a win-win?
They are painting themselves into a corner...they will either have to timeflash everything here, or everything that went before...it’s is perfectly fine to have your cake and eat it when writing within an existing work, sometimes it can be clumsy, but you can make changes work....they haven’t left themselves much leeway here, all for the sake of echoing Nemesis.
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