Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons

[GeekUSACarl]

I thought they were better done and more enjoyable than whatever Star Trek episodes they "ripped off."

I'll strongly disagree on better done. the caliber of acting and writing as a whole was better in TNG.

about a girl specifically, one of those "lawyer" type episodes, The logic was so god awful faulty in Orville, once again the highlights were the comedic moments, which where funny as hell.

The most recent episode i'm assuming is to be the "matter of time" equivalent,

no way on gods green earth that episode was better done

 

[Charles Phipps]

Ok, so you admit they were ripoffs.

Whether or not they were "better" is a matter of opinion. I do not think they were "better", mainly because I want original material.

They cheated.

 

[Campe]

So, is this as dumb as Deep Space Nine versus Babylon 5, or dumber?

DUMBER. Two very different shows.

it's worse.

Orville is a good comedy sci fi show, discovery is a good (though dark) star trek show.

They are apples and oranges but apparently you aren't allowed to like both.

Fuck that noise. I enjoy both. Neither is perfect but they certainly have their good points. I find the constant competitiveness on BOTH sides of this argument juvenile.

No one is required to like both.

I don’t think anyone suggested they did. What I don’t understand is: why watch EITHER show if all you’re going to do is whine about it? (Yes. Either. Before you go and suggest I’m just singling our fans of Orville. I’m not.)

Tng was truer to what Trek was and is supposed to be.

LOL! ... No. Star Trek is many things to different people. After 50 years, you cannot say what is truly Trek. Why? Because every iteration IS Star Trek and they are all different. You can choose not to like a certain version of Trek if you’d like. But you, fuck, none of us, have any right to define what Star Trek is to another person or to the masses.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

LOL! ... No. Star Trek is many things to different people. After 50 years, you cannot say what is truly Trek.

star trek is cake yo!

 

[Campe]

star trek is cake yo!

If only it were that easy! Lol!

 

[alex08060]

It is still call 'Sherlock Holmes'

 

[starmike]

Your point missed the mark. A remake of a story is not the same as "hey, we're doing something original" and then winds up being a ripoff anyway.

Like Armageddon and Deep Impact.

 

[Charles Phipps]

Your point missed the mark. A remake of a story is not the same as "hey, we're doing something original" and then winds up being a ripoff anyway.

Like Armageddon and Deep Impact.

Except they've said in interviews it was an ode to Star Trek by name.

 

[starmike]

Except they've said in interviews it was an ode to Star Trek by name.

You can ode as much as you want, but a ripoff is a ripoff. Sorry, but "ode" doesn't mean "we're stealing as much as we can without getting sued".

 

[Charles Phipps]

You can ode as much as you want, but a ripoff is a ripoff. Sorry, but "ode" doesn't mean "we're stealing as much as we can without getting sued".

Yeah, you can't rip off what you acknowledge as an influence and if you think that, I disagree.

 

[Yminale]

Yeah, you can't rip off what you acknowledge as an influence and if you think that, I disagree.

People have tried that excuse in court and it never worked. See Axanar.

 

[starmike]

People have tried that excuse in court and it never worked. See Axanar.

I'm sure The Orville lawyers are more clever than the Axanar ones.

 

[Noname Given]

Tng was truer to what Trek was and is supposed to be. Discovery just plain stinks. The Orville is far superior
In my humble opinion only.

TNG was a HUGE retcon to TOS - and TOS fans by and large did not appreciate it. Many of those fans stopped watching during the first season; and those that came back to it did so after TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise, and "Best of Both Worlds".

TNG was proof GR started to believe his own self promotion and he wanted to erase TOS because he had sold the IP lock, stock and barrel to Paramount in 1969. TNG was a chance for him to get a piece of the 'Star Trek' merchandising pie (read more cash for himself); especially if he could supplant TOS with it.

In the end, that strategy didn't pan out completely.

 

[Yminale]

I'm sure The Orville lawyers are more clever than the Axanar ones.

The only way they could win is to claim that the Orville is a parody but Seth Mscfarlan has stated that the show isn't a parody. CBS is probably waiting to see if the Orville has legs before it acts.

 

[Fateor]

The only way they could win is to claim that the Orville is a parody but Seth Mscfarlan has stated that the show isn't a parody. CBS is probably waiting to see if the Orville has legs before it acts.

Yea, it doesn't work like that.

The Orville hasn't in any way infringed on Star Trek's Intellectual Property, all the designs are sufficiently different and none of the characters are the same.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The only way they could win is to claim that the Orville is a parody but Seth Mscfarlan has stated that the show isn't a parody. CBS is probably waiting to see if the Orville has legs before it acts.

The Orville has way longer legs than Axanar, so I'd had have to go with "My sources say no."

 

[starmike]

Yea, it doesn't work like that.

The Orville hasn't in any way infringed on Star Trek's Intellectual Property, all the designs are sufficiently different and none of the characters are the same.

And yet here we are in a "Orville vs. Discovery" thread.

 

[Charles Phipps]

People have tried that excuse in court and it never worked. See Axanar.

Battlestar Galactica was written by Ron Moore to be his "Year in Hell" Voyager series.

It's fundamentally different than him making Star Trek: It's Mine Because I say so.

Which is what Axenar is.

Or are we saying Tolkien isn't allowed to write because he borrowed from Germanic legend.

 

[Campe]

And yet here we are in a "Orville vs. Discovery" thread.

Regardless, there are not enough substantial similarities between Trek and Orville for CBS to do anything. I’m sure Orville’s studio (Fox?) looked very hard at this. I would not be surprised as a professional courtesy, CBS was reached out to.

The ultimate difference between Orville and Axanar is that Axanar was to be blatantly set in the Trek universe. Orville, while having the basic of fleeting similarities to Trek, takes place in its own universe.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Axanar was using the Intellectual Property of CBS. With the exception of maybe 1 or 2 characters and Starship, Alec Peters didn't create anything, not even the main character is his creation. It's pretty understandable that CBS would be like ' please fuck off and create your own fictional universe'.

The Orville on the other hand, whilst borrowing, tropes, motif and using similar plots is the intellectual property of Seth McFarlane. He's created the character, the aliens, the ship from the ground up. I doubt CBS would have any grounds to sue even if they wanted to, which i don't think they do.