That's nice, but I asked for proof people were troll down-voting discovery.
Actually many of those people switched from live to DVR.
Discovery and "The Orville" Comparisons
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IMDB seems to have the highest collection of user reviews. There's 12,000 for the Orville, and they all seem to have at least a paragraph or two written about the show. Some of them mention Discovery, but not many were complaining about it, and barely any wrote more than a sentence about Discovery.
Of the ones I sampled(the first ten pages) they mostly sound like casual and semi casual viewers.
On RT, for Discovery, they took the user rating down, and have various articles promoting the show. You can find them by clicking on Disc. season 1, then scrolling down to user reviews. You can't see the percentage, but there they are: 168 pages. I sampled 13. (The first 13) Out of the 1 star, and 1/2 star reviews, about half wrote something down. Its was probably a similar ratio for 5 star reviews. I came across the letters "sjw" twice, and "politics" once. Most of the complaints were similar to complaints on this site, like acting, dialogue, looking/feeling different, and All-Access/airing half an episode-pay to see the rest, etc. And most of the compliments were similar to compliments here.
Even though I didn't read the other 155 pages, it doesn't seem to be "just trolls." I have no way of knowing if those 1 star(and 2-5 star) ratings without any comments were users just trying to effect a poll, or not
Of the ones I sampled(the first ten pages) they mostly sound like casual and semi casual viewers.
On RT, for Discovery, they took the user rating down, and have various articles promoting the show. You can find them by clicking on Disc. season 1, then scrolling down to user reviews. You can't see the percentage, but there they are: 168 pages. I sampled 13. (The first 13) Out of the 1 star, and 1/2 star reviews, about half wrote something down. Its was probably a similar ratio for 5 star reviews. I came across the letters "sjw" twice, and "politics" once. Most of the complaints were similar to complaints on this site, like acting, dialogue, looking/feeling different, and All-Access/airing half an episode-pay to see the rest, etc. And most of the compliments were similar to compliments here.
Even though I didn't read the other 155 pages, it doesn't seem to be "just trolls." I have no way of knowing if those 1 star(and 2-5 star) ratings without any comments were users just trying to effect a poll, or not
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So, is this as dumb as Deep Space Nine versus Babylon 5, or dumber?
Dumber, there was some "palace intrigue" going on as to whether CBS stole the idea for ds9 from a pitch that got turned down and then got made later into Babylon 5. I personally don't believe that but their definitely were enough similarities at a certain point that for someone on the outside looking in it could look it. This situation on the other hand....is just stupid.
Well, the group sizes are smaller at Metacritic than at Rotten Tomatoes but the result is about the same - the McFarlane show is rated about 90% "Liked It" at RT while Trek hovers around 60% although the critics sampled rate Trek much, much more highly.
But this is all because of some kind of organized downvoting, or upvoting, or the Trek-hating Axanar Illuminati or something. So I have been assured.
Do you follow videogame culture or steam? Because if you did you'd know it's not some stupid conspiracy theory. Is it happening? I don't know. But if a group of people can take a oh I don't know....a game that has years worth of reviews and tank it I think this is quite doable.
Link just in case image doesn't work:
https://www.vg247.com/2017/06/19/gt...es-review-score-after-takedown-of-openiv-mod/
Wanted to add a better bit of evidence. After two years and 231k reviews, over the course of days the review went from "positive" to "mixed". And it was well into positive, so yes metabombing is a thing.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...verwhelmingly-negative-amidst-mod-controversy
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it's worse.
Orville is a good comedy sci fi show, discovery is a good (though dark) star trek show.
They are apples and oranges but apparently you aren't allowed to like both.
These were some of the complaints I saw after reading of the 0 and 1 voters on the Discovery: Seems to me as if they are just disgruntled 24th century fans and TOS fans.
"First to CBS and the writers: How DARE you try to replace the main line with the Kelvin timeline. How dare you unravel 70 years of canon to fit your commercial needs? Gene Roddenberry has already turned in his grave. ", "where is Piccard? where is Sisko?", "They really need to reach out to Rick Berman and Brannon Braga", As someone who has enjoyed Star trek since TNG and has basically watched every episode since then at least twice...", "Been a Star Trek fan since the 70s and must say this is NOT Star Trek. This is total trash and not worth watching...", "A rape of what Star Trek used to be...", "
Then there's the people who don't like female leads:
"Lame. Black Female protagonist...", "I can't shake the feeling that this series is sexist against men...","Oh, good. BLM and ANTIFA are making Star Trek episodes now. Like all 3rd generation feminists they do not understand the concept of "a bridge too far"."
It looks like many of the low scorers on the site don't like it because its basically not TNG or DS9 or has a female lead. All of which are valid reasons for individuals not liking it but not are really representative of the general audience.
I really hope there aren't that many people just hating it because of the gender of its lead, that highly disappointing if it is.
Hope its OK to quote from the site - Moderators.
Yeah, no.
I’m glad for you.
You are basing your conclusion on a ridiculously small sample size from metacritic. Compare that with IMDB, which has 16,384 people and an average rating of 7.3/10
Both sample sizes are very small, but IMDB has more than 32 times the number of people who have rated the show, so surely carries more weight?
Worse. It's the "not real Trek" debate that is revisited every ten years or so.
So, that kind of fits in with the point I was trying to make. How long did it take you to find those comments? I still had the tab open on my phone from last night. I went back through the first 13 pages of comments, and then went 10 more, to the 23rd page, just to be safe, and your quotes are not there, so they must be even older. (Or perhaps you didn't get those from RT? It was Rotten Tomatoes that I was looking at in my earlier post)
Something else that I noticed this time: Of those first 23 pages, a vast majority of the 5 star reviews had nothing written down, and in general, the negative comments were longer and more explanatory, which I suppose makes sense. If you want to complain, and you're feeling that "joy" that comes in whining, you might want to pile it on, or if you feel bad about complaining, you might want to give a long explanation why.
When I worked in retail, my boss would observe that negative experiences stay longer in the brain, and that it would take 10 positive ones to make up for one negative one.
Seriously, someone had to bring alt-right into this.
I just went to the links that were posted.
I was just looking at the first ones on the page (most recent or lowest I'm not sure?) and they may have been made after you made your initial post. Maybe I got redirected - I don't know I've closed the TAB now.
I just think giving Discovery 0/10 is just people hating that its not "real" Trek, not the casual viewer, not the person who hasn't heard of Picard. Sure there were people who gave it 3/10 because they didn't like the acting or it was too dark or something. That's reasonable but 0/10 because the Klingons aren't Worf?
I think Discovery deserves a minimum of 2/10 for the special effects alone. Before I'd read through the comments, I thought hey people are giving it low marks because they just think its poorly done but now I think its mostly haters.
And when TNG came out 30 years ago I might have rated it low as well because it wasn't TOS. The Klingons were weird and they had the skant. Maybe I would have popped out a "Roddenberry would turn in his grave" myself
No, that would explain hatred for CBS...not for the show itself.
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